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Year in Review - Rebounding
Posted on 8/16/20 at 8:41 pm
Posted on 8/16/20 at 8:41 pm
Decided to look at the Pels roster by total rebounding percentage (what % of the available rebounds does a player get when he is on the floor).
It pretty clearly demonstrates why Derrick Favors had value for our team this year. When you look at guys who played at least 300 minutes this season, Favors actually ranked 12th in the league -- he's been a very good rebounder.
Then, it's a long way down to Jah. Josh Hart was actually #3 in the league once you remove the centers and power forwards (Luka #1).
What really stands out, though, was just how bad Jaxson and Zion were at boxing out and getting DREBs -- Lonzo and BI were better, for crying out loud. Melli was just as bad -- I don't worry about the low OREB % for him, because he's usually at the 3-pt line and not near the basket, but his DREB % is just plain bad.
Final observation is that Lonzo is a very good rebounder for a guard. If he can jump high and get rebounds, why cann't he jump high enough to dunk the ball?
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Posted on 8/16/20 at 9:02 pm to GOP_Tiger
Josh fricking Hart
Posted on 8/16/20 at 9:04 pm to GOP_Tiger
I agree with you in part, that we did a poor job of boxing out. Some of that was due to youth imo. But a bigger part was because Gentry was more focused with getting out and running than making sure you got the rebound. I'm on the side of Pop that offensive rebound rate is not necessarily indicative of success, but our propensity to focus more on getting easy baskets than making sure we got the ball is a bigger cause for those numbers.
Posted on 8/16/20 at 9:07 pm to GOP_Tiger
No boxing out and a coach that valued running over getting rebounds.
Posted on 8/16/20 at 9:12 pm to cajun_tiger
Rebounding is also a learned skill, particularly positioning, that I'm willing to forgive young guys and those with little professional experience, particularly Zion and Hayes. Melli to a lesser extent because he's had professional experience but not NBA experience.
It's also an effort thing and we saw mixed effort outputs under Gentry.
It's also an effort thing and we saw mixed effort outputs under Gentry.
Posted on 8/16/20 at 9:15 pm to JayJay2
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No boxing out and a coach that valued running over getting rebounds
This is it right here. We were so bad on defense that we were concerned with getting back and we were so ready to run that many times we wouldn’t secure the def rebound.
What I don’t understand is if you are giving up open threes and have late close outs, then how on earth were we not in position to box out better?
Posted on 8/16/20 at 9:24 pm to gotiger
I think Zion was a multitude of things. He was poor boxing out, and quite frankly lazy at times on the boards, but there was also a lot of times he got up court rather than crashing.
Jaxson was a multitude of things as well. Poor technique, lack of strength, etc. I think both improve under the new coach.
Jaxson was a multitude of things as well. Poor technique, lack of strength, etc. I think both improve under the new coach.
Posted on 8/16/20 at 9:27 pm to gotiger
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What I don’t understand is if you are giving up open threes and have late close outs, then how on earth were we not in position to box out better?
Because they were always running toward the person shooting the three and either half way running up the court or just in no condition to run back to get the rebound. I swear this next coach better not have them collapsing on someone driving. It's been 5 years of that trash
Posted on 8/17/20 at 10:14 am to GOP_Tiger
I dont Know enough about Basketball Xs and Os to really comment on who’s fault it was, but it did amaze me that Zion’s rebounding numbers were so low.
I remember Watching him in college and he was very good at it. The Strength , athleticism and effort was all there
I remember Watching him in college and he was very good at it. The Strength , athleticism and effort was all there
Posted on 8/17/20 at 10:33 am to GOP_Tiger
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It pretty clearly demonstrates why Derrick Favors had value for our team this year. When you look at guys who played at least 300 minutes this season, Favors actually ranked 12th in the league -- he's been a very good rebounder.
This board has frequently undervalued rebounding and the impact of ending a possession on defense. Favors isn't my first choice for starting center next year, but if when the music stops we end up stuck with each other again, we could and have definitely done worse.
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I dont Know enough about Basketball Xs and Os to really comment on who’s fault it was, but it did amaze me that Zion’s rebounding numbers were so low.
You know how he got all those 75 foot alley oops from Lonzo? By running down court instead of rebounding. So some of Zion's low rebounding numbers are by design. Hopefully the coaching change forces the team to honestly ask itself what value those lobs have. There is a benefit, it puts a lot of pressure on a defense and can probably be demoralizing to opponents, but there is most certainly a cost: Zion not rebounding as much and committing to Lonzo to keep passing it to him.
Posted on 8/17/20 at 10:43 am to TigerinATL
quote:Maybe, but it almost seemed as the season went on, he broke down. Not sure if it is physical (back) or mental. If he comes back, hopefully that changes.
This board has frequently undervalued rebounding and the impact of ending a possession on defense. Favors isn't my first choice for starting center next year, but if when the music stops we end up stuck with each other again, we could and have definitely done worse.
Posted on 8/17/20 at 10:44 am to NOSHAU
He definitely started off bubble play like an old guy we talked out of retirement.
Posted on 8/17/20 at 8:33 pm to TigerinATL
Rebounding is simply positioning and effort, which EVERYONE can do. Some are better at anticipating where a ball will come off a rim. Period.
Simply put, Gentry didnt value defensive rebounding and/or didnt emphasize it in his teachings and practice.
Also, having Jrue guarding all star players out of position, has a domino effect on team defense and rebounding. We need to get more length at the wing/forward spots to compete with the contenders.
Signing Jeramie Grant, drafting a 3&D wing with length, securing a defensive minded center with length who can hit a few jumpers if left open, should be a priority this offseason.
Simply put, Gentry didnt value defensive rebounding and/or didnt emphasize it in his teachings and practice.
Also, having Jrue guarding all star players out of position, has a domino effect on team defense and rebounding. We need to get more length at the wing/forward spots to compete with the contenders.
Signing Jeramie Grant, drafting a 3&D wing with length, securing a defensive minded center with length who can hit a few jumpers if left open, should be a priority this offseason.
This post was edited on 8/17/20 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 8/17/20 at 9:48 pm to irvchilichill1
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Rebounding is simply positioning and effort, which EVERYONE can do. Some are better at anticipating where a ball will come off a rim. Period.
It’s also scheme and strategy. So not period.
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