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Y’all are letting Griffin off the hook by blaming Zion
Posted on 10/14/21 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 10/14/21 at 10:51 pm
I’ve been as big a Griffin defender as there’s been, but to me, he should be bearing 97% of the blame in all of this.
He is the POBO. It’s his job to convey the message from and status of the team. HE gave us the update that Zion would be ready “by the regular season.” By saying that, you know we’re assuming by the START of the regular season. Not some arbitrary date IN the regular season. It may be the case Zions parents are forcing it to be tight lipped. But even if that’s the case, why not just say, “won’t be ready for the start of the regular season?”
Sure, Zions looking hefty, but the dude broke his foot. Considering his on the court performance last year, he still gets the benefit of the doubt from me until that suffers. And by all accounts, even when they were doing that minute burst shite, Zion absolutely hated it. He wants to play. It hasn’t been since the bubble that his conditioning has affected his play significantly.
He is the POBO. It’s his job to convey the message from and status of the team. HE gave us the update that Zion would be ready “by the regular season.” By saying that, you know we’re assuming by the START of the regular season. Not some arbitrary date IN the regular season. It may be the case Zions parents are forcing it to be tight lipped. But even if that’s the case, why not just say, “won’t be ready for the start of the regular season?”
Sure, Zions looking hefty, but the dude broke his foot. Considering his on the court performance last year, he still gets the benefit of the doubt from me until that suffers. And by all accounts, even when they were doing that minute burst shite, Zion absolutely hated it. He wants to play. It hasn’t been since the bubble that his conditioning has affected his play significantly.
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Posted on 10/14/21 at 10:58 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
It’s not mutually exclusive. They both can be blamed for how this was conveyed. Zion himself said he expected to be ready by the first official game.
All that said, how do we know he wasn’t on that schedule and had a setback and Team Zion said “the narrative will be XYZ”?
All that said, how do we know he wasn’t on that schedule and had a setback and Team Zion said “the narrative will be XYZ”?
Posted on 10/14/21 at 11:04 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
I'm ready to fight someone.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 11:16 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
Even if Griffin is straight up we're still in the position of Zion being hurt and having to work his way into shape during the regular season again.
They do that because he's not in shape.
What about on defense?
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. And by all accounts, even when they were doing that minute burst shite, Zion absolutely hated it.
They do that because he's not in shape.
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It hasn’t been since the bubble that his conditioning has affected his play significantly.
What about on defense?
Posted on 10/15/21 at 1:17 am to Brettesaurus Rex
I have enough anger to go around. Dont worry he can go too
Posted on 10/15/21 at 1:40 am to Brettesaurus Rex
No we’re not. Both have handled this terribly
Posted on 10/15/21 at 2:17 am to Brettesaurus Rex
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Y’all are letting Griffin off the hook by blaming Zion
Not reading any of your post after this title, and I will tell you after today - everyone is directing their angst at Griffin for his bull shite and lies. Today he left no doubt in anyone’s mind that he is a used car salesman and not the great philosophical genuine leader he pretended to be. frick that dude.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 6:32 am to Macintosh504
I have said this a bunch on this board but the “bursts” with hard limits like they did was unnecessary. I still challenge anyone to find another NBA or NFL player who was brought back by playing “bursts” with no regard for score or situation. Minutes restrictions or guidelines are absolutely used when returning to play but this was overkill and not needed. It was absolutely ridiculous and put Zion in an impossible situation with fans and teammates from day one.
The injury that Zion currently has is a very common one for NBA players. Griff out right lied at the media day press conference. Then, he sold another load of bullshite yesterday. The team (Griff and honestly, the medical staff) get no benefit of the doubt after the way they handled his first injury. I get people are frustrated with Zion’s appearance. However, the guy averaged 27ppg shooting better than 60% from the floor while demonstrating improved defense throughout the season last year.
I am much more in the fire Griff camp than I am the trade Zion camp.
The injury that Zion currently has is a very common one for NBA players. Griff out right lied at the media day press conference. Then, he sold another load of bullshite yesterday. The team (Griff and honestly, the medical staff) get no benefit of the doubt after the way they handled his first injury. I get people are frustrated with Zion’s appearance. However, the guy averaged 27ppg shooting better than 60% from the floor while demonstrating improved defense throughout the season last year.
I am much more in the fire Griff camp than I am the trade Zion camp.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 7:30 am to ThePistol
Since drafting Zion, he's been hurt or out of shape 3/4 times he's been away for more than about two weeks. (2019 off-season, 2020 before bubble, 2021 offseason). What's expected of the training staff to make sure he's both healthy and in shape? There's no way they choose to slack off, those issues are Zion's alone. If wanting to be mad at Griffin that's fine, but his job is also ultimately team building and that's not effected by so much by how fans liking or disliking from any salesman skills.
Rephrased, Griffin's dishonesty with media has little to do with wins and losses but Zion's availability does matter, and Zion's the one most in control of putting himself in a position to be available. Griffin's dishonesty effects fan perception on team, but winning and losing will do more to amplify or erase any of that.
Rephrased, Griffin's dishonesty with media has little to do with wins and losses but Zion's availability does matter, and Zion's the one most in control of putting himself in a position to be available. Griffin's dishonesty effects fan perception on team, but winning and losing will do more to amplify or erase any of that.
This post was edited on 10/15/21 at 7:35 am
Posted on 10/15/21 at 8:08 am to Brettesaurus Rex
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Y’all are letting Griffin off the hook by blaming Zion
Griffin has been called out repeatedly on this board for his lies. You act like only one of them can be causing problems for the team.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 8:11 am to Parrish
That is where I disagree with most others. I blame the organization for Zion’s lack of ability. They mishandled his return from meniscus surgery by being ultra cautious. Zion was participating in on court activities for at least a month before they allowed him to return. Now, he has another very common injury and his timetable is going to end up being weeks longer than normal. The organization lies about his injuries and his recovery. He is going to end up missing more than three months with this injury which is longer than it should be with no re-injury or second surgical procedure. The organization being ultra cautious has created what I believe to be an unfair perception around Zion and at this point it is the leading cause of friction between him, the organization, and the fans.
I will place blame for the bubble on Zion. That seems to be 100% on him. However, the organization still mishandled the PR aspects of that situation.
I will place blame for the bubble on Zion. That seems to be 100% on him. However, the organization still mishandled the PR aspects of that situation.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 8:12 am to Galactic Inquisitor
None of them have even told us when the injury happened. Griffin alluded to early summer, then caught himself and tried to walk it back.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 8:13 am to Parrish
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Since drafting Zion, he's been hurt or out of shape 3/4 times he's been away for more than about two weeks. (2019 off-season, 2020 before bubble, 2021 offseason). What's expected of the training staff to make sure he's both healthy and in shape? There's no way they choose to slack off, those issues are Zion's alone. If wanting to be mad at Griffin that's fine, but his job is also ultimately team building and that's not effected by so much by how fans liking or disliking from any salesman skills.
Rephrased, Griffin's dishonesty with media has little to do with wins and losses but Zion's availability does matter, and Zion's the one most in control of putting himself in a position to be available. Griffin's dishonesty effects fan perception on team, but winning and losing will do more to amplify or erase any of that.
While you are not entirely wrong, the word you are looking for is affect. Effect is a noun.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 8:28 am to Parrish
Put yourself in Griff's shoes. Your premier super star has ghosted the team all summer, broke his foot outside of your training program, got surgery (with or without the teams knowledge), and showed up 30 pounds over weight. Throw in that Zion is a mental midget and his family is actively trying to destroy his career and his body. What do you expect him to do? He can't come out and blame Zion for fricking up and Zion's family for destroying his season, yet again.
I hate Griffin, but he is basically doing damage control on an issue that Zion 100% caused. Also, frick Zion. I hope they trade him this season so we can spare ourselves another superstar force out.
I hate Griffin, but he is basically doing damage control on an issue that Zion 100% caused. Also, frick Zion. I hope they trade him this season so we can spare ourselves another superstar force out.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 8:30 am to Brettesaurus Rex
maybe Griffin will serenade him with "Candle in the Wind"
Posted on 10/15/21 at 8:55 am to Brettesaurus Rex
I gave Jake Madison a hard time on the piano story, but his show today is exactly right: we don't know enough of the story to know who to blame, if there is indeed anyone to blame.
We don't know if it's just simply taking Zion longer to recover than was previously thought. We don't know if there was a small setback on the toe and they just don't want to talk about that. We don't know if there was a miscommunication from the doctors who performed the surgery, or from the team doctors, or if there was a miscommunication or misunderstanding from Aaron Nelson.
It could be a lot of different things, and I'm not telling anyone not to be frustrated that Zion isn't going to be on the court (I'm frustrated too), but it really isn't fair to blame either Zion or Griffin without really knowing the full story -- and we might have to wait for a "30 for 30" show in ten years to get that.
We don't know if it's just simply taking Zion longer to recover than was previously thought. We don't know if there was a small setback on the toe and they just don't want to talk about that. We don't know if there was a miscommunication from the doctors who performed the surgery, or from the team doctors, or if there was a miscommunication or misunderstanding from Aaron Nelson.
It could be a lot of different things, and I'm not telling anyone not to be frustrated that Zion isn't going to be on the court (I'm frustrated too), but it really isn't fair to blame either Zion or Griffin without really knowing the full story -- and we might have to wait for a "30 for 30" show in ten years to get that.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 2:32 pm to whatiknowsofar
Meet me at Canes in Kenner
Posted on 10/15/21 at 2:36 pm to ThePistol
I hear what you are saying, but can we stop saying what Zion did last season? NO ONE IS SAYING DUDE IS A SCRUB. We are worried about durability and him being able to be more flexible to play defense and not blow out something else.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 2:57 pm to saints5021
quote:Do you know any of that to be fact or just grasping to what a blogger claims?
Put yourself in Griff's shoes. Your premier super star has ghosted the team all summer, broke his foot outside of your training program, got surgery (with or without the teams knowledge), and showed up 30 pounds over weight. Throw in that Zion is a mental midget and his family is actively trying to destroy his career and his body. What do you expect him to do? He can't come out and blame Zion for fricking up and Zion's family for destroying his season, yet again.
Posted on 10/15/21 at 3:01 pm to NOSHAU
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Throw in that Zion is a mental midget and his family is actively trying to destroy his career and his body
Yeah, where does this "mental midget" crap come from? And his family is "actively trying to destroy his career"? Link?
I said in another thread that it's getting harder lately to tell the trolls from the idiots. I think this falls into the trolling category.
Thanks for calling it out, NOSHAU. This is one of those times that it would be nice for the board to have a mod.
This post was edited on 10/15/21 at 3:02 pm
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