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Would you rather Eric Gordon over Jrue Holiday (even $$$)
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:21 am
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:21 am
Serious question. Seeing what Gordon gives Houston. Would you prefer EGknee to Jrue Holiday taking out the obvious chasm in salary cost and length, which makes it a no-brainer.
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Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:23 am to ShamelessPel
No, Gordon clearly didn't want to be here and would turn back into Lemonhead if he came back.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:24 am to ShamelessPel
I think part of why he works so well for the rockets is because the floor is super spaced out and the lane is open. Obviously he shoots lots of 3s, but he can also get to the rim rather easily due to their setup. Our offense has no resemblance to theirs, so it's hard to say how he'd look with our current roster construction
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:31 am to americanoutlaw
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I think part of why he works so well for the rockets is because the floor is super spaced out
We have the floor spacing. We just don't have guys that can consistently knock down shots.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:32 am to ShamelessPel
If we're talking vacuums, it's nice to imagine this team with Gordon and Andersen spacing the floor.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:57 am to ShamelessPel
Neither of them is a $25M player.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:58 am to Tigerbiscuits
I think i would have rathered not made the trade for Cousins and kept Buddy and the pick, tank a little, just a game needed to be in front of Dallas, draft Dennis Smith Jr, let Jrue walk, offer to a guy like Tim Hardaway Jr (4/71). Go find a cheap center, Baynes signed for $4M.
Dennis Smith
Buddy
Hardaway
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Baynes
Have Solo to come in for Baynes for small ball lineups. Probably still could have brought in a veteran PG like Collison to help out. Done decent this year and probably be in a good position to make a nice trade next offseason for a veteran player without giving up anyone worth a shite other than the 2018 first round pick. we'd have young players that are good and financial flexibility, which is how Minnesota was able to get guys like Butler and Teague.
AD is still young and could have grown with those guys. We act like we need to win now with AD. He's still 2-3 years from getting into his prime years.
Dennis Smith
Buddy
Hardaway
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Have Solo to come in for Baynes for small ball lineups. Probably still could have brought in a veteran PG like Collison to help out. Done decent this year and probably be in a good position to make a nice trade next offseason for a veteran player without giving up anyone worth a shite other than the 2018 first round pick. we'd have young players that are good and financial flexibility, which is how Minnesota was able to get guys like Butler and Teague.
AD is still young and could have grown with those guys. We act like we need to win now with AD. He's still 2-3 years from getting into his prime years.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 11:46 am to ShamelessPel
No because if we had Gordon, he would tear his ACL in his first game back here. I'm positive this would be the case knowing our luck.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 12:39 pm to TeddyPadillac
the problem with not getting Cousins (or more expensive 5) is that Davis doesn't want to play center at all, it seems. Baynes at $4M isn't playing more than token minutes....that leaves Davis spending more time at the 5, which appears to be a no go.
and that severely limits how you can build a team around him. to me, he's not a top 5 guy in the league because he seems adamant, at this point, about being a 4. that makes team building much harder (of course it doesnt matter b/c Demps). we saw them play pretty well, given other roster problems, with Davis at 5 from xmas to asb. that's his spot.
still way too early to give up on this year, but if it goes sideways, they should absolutely explore trades for him, aside from the whole killing NBA ball in NO problem of course
and that severely limits how you can build a team around him. to me, he's not a top 5 guy in the league because he seems adamant, at this point, about being a 4. that makes team building much harder (of course it doesnt matter b/c Demps). we saw them play pretty well, given other roster problems, with Davis at 5 from xmas to asb. that's his spot.
still way too early to give up on this year, but if it goes sideways, they should absolutely explore trades for him, aside from the whole killing NBA ball in NO problem of course
Posted on 10/19/17 at 12:53 pm to corndeaux
I really think there's a way you could trade AD and rebuild around Cousins. Trade for Bledsoe to help make sure Cousins stays, even if he just does a short 1 + 1. Then trade AD to Boston for all of their wings. I'm not sure Boston would make that trade in season, but Tatum/Brown/Morris/Smart is really the only way to make the trade work salary wise unless you get a 3rd team involved willing to take Horford and send back a cheaper but competent center.
Bledsoe/Rondo
Holiday/Smart/Moore
Brown/Tatum
Morris/Hill
Cousins/Diallo/Ajinca
It may only go as far as Cousins' control over his emotions will take them, but you have 2 PGs that can help manage him and for once a lot of wing talent that is over 6'4. You can probably get a pick or 2 as well, just not the good one.
Bledsoe/Rondo
Holiday/Smart/Moore
Brown/Tatum
Morris/Hill
Cousins/Diallo/Ajinca
It may only go as far as Cousins' control over his emotions will take them, but you have 2 PGs that can help manage him and for once a lot of wing talent that is over 6'4. You can probably get a pick or 2 as well, just not the good one.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:57 pm to corndeaux
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the problem with not getting Cousins (or more expensive 5) is that Davis doesn't want to play center at all, it seems. Baynes at $4M isn't playing more than token minutes....that leaves Davis spending more time at the 5, which appears to be a no go.
Davis started the game on Gasol last night, i don't know if you noticed that. Why would a guy that doesn't want to play the 5, and has a bigger big man on his team now that starts with him, guard one of the biggest most physical centers in the league to start the game?
Gasol wasn't guarding AD, Green was.
I don't give a shite what AD wants at this point. That's not how anyone would build a team in todays NBA. If AD was getting us to the playoffs every year, and was a true superstar, then i'd listen to him, but he's not at this point, so he can shut the hell up and do what he's told.
A competent GM/team with AD would ideally spend the bulk of their money on AD and 1 or 2 other very good offensive players that play the 1, 2 or 3 position. They would have a scrappy center to deal with the bigs of other teams for 15-20 minutes a game, and a big SF, small PF that could play the 4 during small ball lineups with AD at the 5, filling out the rest of the roster with shooters and defensive specialists on small contracts.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 2:03 pm to TigerinATL
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Trade for Bledsoe to help make sure Cousins stays, even if he just does a short 1 + 1. Then trade AD to Boston for all of their wings. I'm not sure Boston would make that trade in season, but Tatum/Brown/Morris/Smart is really the only way to make the trade work salary wise unless you get a 3rd team involved willing to take Horford and send back a cheaper but competent center.
I want to see what Rondo will do to this team before i say anything ridiculous like trade AD, but i'm getting closer to being ready to blow it up. Fire Gentry, Fire Demps, and trade AD for a kings ransom of young players and a pick, and don't trade away your first round pick either. Just start from scratch.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 2:04 pm to TigerinATL
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It may only go as far as Cousins' control over his emotions will take them
yeah. that is the issue. ideally, i would let him walk too and go full rebuild.
they would definitely need to ask for Lakers/Kings pick from Boston. building a team around Brown+Tatum + pick would be pretty interesting for me. but this market makes that pretty tough to do.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 2:12 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I don't give a shite what AD wants at this point. That's not how anyone would build a team in todays NBA. If AD was getting us to the playoffs every year, and was a true superstar, then i'd listen to him, but he's not at this point, so he can shut the hell up and do what he's told.
teddy, that is exactly how everyone builds teams these days.
get lucky with a star, make him happy, use him to attract other stars. that's the entire premise upon which the best teams in the league are being built.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 3:04 pm to corndeaux
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teddy, that is exactly how everyone builds teams these days.
where has that gotten most teams? Name a team that drafted a star and built a championship contender around them other than GSW, Cleveland, OKC, and SAS, and if not for LEbron's greatness, Cleveland would have fricked that up, which they did.
Quit listening to what the so called star wants. If he's a capable star, you have him for 8 years. Really doesn't matter what you do in that time frame, that star isnt' leaving in that time frame. So you have 8 years to build a winner. I would bet AD would be happier playing the 5 and being a perennial playoff team, than not playing the 5 and not making the playoffs every year.
Is AD a GM? no, so quit letting him influence how the team is built. There's only a handful of players that should be able to demand things to their front office and they listen, and AD isnt' one of those guys yet. If you can't single handedly get your team to playoffs, much less to .500, then you haven't earned the right to tell the front office what to do yet.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 4:27 pm to ShamelessPel
No and its not even close. This team needs ball handlers and EG is not one of them.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 5:41 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Name a team that drafted a star and built a championship contender around them other than GSW, Cleveland, OKC, and SAS
so name one team other than all the teams that win or could win titles? you got me there.... lol
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Really doesn't matter what you do in that time frame
that's the entire point. it does matter what you. you want to keep your star and not collapse in year 9. for the Pels, there probably isn't much they can do at this time if Davis has anyone with any sense around him.
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Is AD a GM? no, so quit letting him influence how the team is built. There's only a handful of players that should be able to demand things to their front office and they listen, and AD isnt' one of those guys yet. If you can't single handedly get your team to playoffs, much less to .500, then you haven't earned the right to tell the front office what to do yet.
as always, i admire your passion. but this take is piping hot
Posted on 10/19/17 at 5:46 pm to Jester
And Holiday is not close to either. Current state of NBA which is becoming beyond absurd with $$$$
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:40 pm to ShamelessPel
I couldn't wait for Gordon to leave.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 10:48 pm to ShamelessPel
At least Gordon can shoot.
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