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Would you consider blasphemy - trading Herb...
Posted on 1/8/25 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 1/8/25 at 4:46 pm
I've always been on the frick no, never bandwagon.
However...I've been hearing the counter argument lately.
Herb is probably the Pels most wanted asset. That's debatable depending on if someone stll loves Zion and there's an argument to be made for Trey.
But for a contender, I could see Herb being the piece they want. He's good, he's rock solid and most importantly, he's cheap.
So why on earth would we trade him? I don't think we will, nor should we. However, the argument is:
- He's at his peak value right now. Sell high. Honestly, he hasn't looked as good this year. Injury related or just the shite stain of the org dragging him down I don't know.
- He's not that young and will need to be reupped again in a few years. If the team is years away, does he still fit the timeline?
My counter to sell high is that even if you get some picks, you then need to hit on them which is a total crapshoot.
I say no to trading Herb. I don't think you will ever find the type of guy he is for the price he is. Same reason I wouldn't trade Jose - not saying Jose is even close to as good as Herb.
I really just don't see the point of trading him. You get worse. Lose one of the few guys with grit and character left for a chance at finding the next guy.
Hard pass. Frankly, I'm surprised so many in the Pels podcast world are on board with it.
However...I've been hearing the counter argument lately.
Herb is probably the Pels most wanted asset. That's debatable depending on if someone stll loves Zion and there's an argument to be made for Trey.
But for a contender, I could see Herb being the piece they want. He's good, he's rock solid and most importantly, he's cheap.
So why on earth would we trade him? I don't think we will, nor should we. However, the argument is:
- He's at his peak value right now. Sell high. Honestly, he hasn't looked as good this year. Injury related or just the shite stain of the org dragging him down I don't know.
- He's not that young and will need to be reupped again in a few years. If the team is years away, does he still fit the timeline?
My counter to sell high is that even if you get some picks, you then need to hit on them which is a total crapshoot.
I say no to trading Herb. I don't think you will ever find the type of guy he is for the price he is. Same reason I wouldn't trade Jose - not saying Jose is even close to as good as Herb.
I really just don't see the point of trading him. You get worse. Lose one of the few guys with grit and character left for a chance at finding the next guy.
Hard pass. Frankly, I'm surprised so many in the Pels podcast world are on board with it.
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 5:14 pm to ghost2most
It woulda been alot easier to trade him if we have kept DD.
Guess that shoulda been the play in the offseason. Herb was worth infinity more than Dyson in the offseason. Posters on here said Dyson wasn’t worth a low 1st round pick in this worse draft in years. (You know who you are) Now it’s probably the opposite or at least evened out.
Guess that shoulda been the play in the offseason. Herb was worth infinity more than Dyson in the offseason. Posters on here said Dyson wasn’t worth a low 1st round pick in this worse draft in years. (You know who you are) Now it’s probably the opposite or at least evened out.
This post was edited on 1/8/25 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 1/8/25 at 5:21 pm to ghost2most
quote:
- He's at his peak value right now. Sell high. Honestly, he hasn't looked as good this year. Injury related or just the shite stain of the org dragging him down I don't know.
- He's not that young and will need to be reupped again in a few years. If the team is years away, does he still fit the timeline?
First...there is NO bigger fan of Herb Jones than me. It's been that way for about 7 years now. I could see this guy coming...waaaay back then...when he had a practically nonexistent offensive game.
Having said that...the problem with trading Herb is...I think he's actually gonna get better or at least, hold his current trade value. So, we can keep him around for another year or two...and, imo, he will be an even more valuable trade asset...when trades should be much easier once teams have adapted to the current Collective Bargaining Agreement.
Then...if we SOMEHOW come out of our current mess & are serious contenders next year...and Herb has improved, or even stayed the same...we keep him and he's an important part for our contending squad. IF, we don't come out of current problems...I think Herb has to go... no later than the end of next season.
On a side note...Herb is currently shooting MUCH better from the 3-pt line than most realize...around 36.25% to be precise...so don't worry too much about his APPARENT 3-pt shooting numbers. Just an anamoly...which, to be honest, is kinda scary that I am nerdy enough to have noticed.
Bottom line: Keep Herb, at least for one more year...then re-evaluate.
This post was edited on 1/8/25 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 1/8/25 at 5:25 pm to Townedrunkard
Daniels is probably going to be paid based on potential soon and whereas Herb got paid based on his production. That alone is going to make Herb more attractive in my eyes and much easier to keep no matter the circumstances.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 5:45 pm to ghost2most
depends what for. Id do it if you packaged him with BI for a guy like Booker or if you're able to get multiple firsts and an intriguing young player.
we aren't winning anything anytime soon with this roster. turning down everything for a role-player is ridiculous.
we aren't winning anything anytime soon with this roster. turning down everything for a role-player is ridiculous.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 5:49 pm to Macintosh
quote:
depends what for. Id do it if you packaged him with BI for a guy like Booker or if you're able to get multiple firsts and an intriguing young player.
we aren't winning anything anytime soon with this roster. turning down everything for a role-player is ridiculous.
Yep...never say never..in case some CRAZY offer comes around. Under the current CBA, I just don't see that there can be very many options out there for a "Herb". Year or two from now? Probably much better trade options out there. JMO
Posted on 1/8/25 at 5:59 pm to ghost2most
I agree with Dinky, he's going to get better and keep his value. The only reason you trade Herb is:
1) You plan to blow it all up
2) You don't plan to start him
2 mainly depends on if you add a top 5 pick and keep Zion. Then the starting lineup might get crowded.
1) You plan to blow it all up
2) You don't plan to start him
2 mainly depends on if you add a top 5 pick and keep Zion. Then the starting lineup might get crowded.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 6:20 pm to Macintosh
I think Suns might bite on a BI / Herb / 2 1’s for Book
I really really think that a starting 5 of
Missi
Zion
Trey
Book
DJM
Can be a top 3 WC team.
I really really think that a starting 5 of
Missi
Zion
Trey
Book
DJM
Can be a top 3 WC team.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 6:26 pm to ghost2most
I’d trade Herb and BI for Devin Booker.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 6:46 pm to TeddyPadillac
I would also do Herb and BI for Booker but that starting lineup would be arse defensively
Posted on 1/8/25 at 7:05 pm to ghost2most
I really liked how Zion looked defensively last night. Booker is not a bad defender by any means.
Murray/Booker/Trey/Zion/Missi would be just fine defensively. Would be asking a lot from Murray and Booker, but I don’t think either of them mind playing hard both ways.
Murray/Booker/Trey/Zion/Missi would be just fine defensively. Would be asking a lot from Murray and Booker, but I don’t think either of them mind playing hard both ways.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 7:38 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
I’d trade Herb and BI for Devin Booker.
Well yea, it’s a no brainer. Especially if the alternative is letting BI walk for nothing.
Doubtful Suns would do it. Maybe if BI agreed to a decent extension. But highly unlikely.
This post was edited on 1/8/25 at 7:44 pm
Posted on 1/8/25 at 7:40 pm to supe12sta12z
quote:
Daniels is probably going to be paid based on potential soon and whereas Herb got paid based on his production
Herb got underpaid b/c of his draft status. Right now DD is making less but then Herb will also get paid alot more once his contract comes up just like DD.
But yea DD has more potential than Herb, I’ve been saying it the last two years on here.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 7:48 pm to ghost2most
You damn right..
Booker is from Moss Point.. He always goes off in new orleans
Booker is from Moss Point.. He always goes off in new orleans
Posted on 1/8/25 at 8:21 pm to ghost2most
quote:
Would you consider blasphemy - trading Herb..
I love Herb, but if they trade Zion, there is no reason to keep Herb. He's basically Matisse Thybulle when he isn't getting wide open shots or driving lanes due to Zion's gravity.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 8:30 pm to Townedrunkard
I don't think so. Usually the third contract self corrects since the potential aspect is gone. Herb will probably not make more than what he 's making right now. Dyson will probably command 20+ a year just based off of potential. And self correct in his third contract like most players.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 10:19 pm to ghost2most
Absolutely not
Posted on 1/8/25 at 11:09 pm to ghost2most
Herb with zero points and nan rebounds tonight.
19 mins.
I know he is a fan favorite, but he has to go. He has topped out here with this coaching staff
19 mins.
I know he is a fan favorite, but he has to go. He has topped out here with this coaching staff
This post was edited on 1/8/25 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 1/9/25 at 11:10 am to Islandboy777
Stupid
Posted on 1/9/25 at 11:42 am to ghost2most
I would trade Herb for an overpay from a team thinking he's their missing piece.
We won't contend during Herb's contract. He will be 29 and seeking big money on his next deal as a UFA. I love Herb. He's an incredible role player, but the smart move is to sell high.
Unfortunately Griff knows he doesn't have the luxury of thinking long term, so he won't trade Herb for a trove of future picks.
But maybe a desperate team like the Sixers would move Jared McCain and an unprotected pick for Herb. Sixers could easily be a lottery team in the future with Embiid's injuries and PG's contract.
We won't contend during Herb's contract. He will be 29 and seeking big money on his next deal as a UFA. I love Herb. He's an incredible role player, but the smart move is to sell high.
Unfortunately Griff knows he doesn't have the luxury of thinking long term, so he won't trade Herb for a trove of future picks.
But maybe a desperate team like the Sixers would move Jared McCain and an unprotected pick for Herb. Sixers could easily be a lottery team in the future with Embiid's injuries and PG's contract.
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