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re: Word is Jaxson Hayes apparently went Super Sayian
Posted on 9/20/21 at 8:43 am to Kato
Posted on 9/20/21 at 8:43 am to Kato
I love how Malone let's Pippen just fly over his head while poor little Stockton is jumping up and down like an excited puppy trying to stop him.
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Posted on 9/20/21 at 11:45 am to Bronc
3 straight lies and you just figure no one will call you out on it. Makes sense. I just don't have the interest enough to stalk you back..
Posted on 9/20/21 at 11:57 am to GOP_Tiger
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Jaxson is a better athlete than Giannis was at his age.
For sure Giannis had to grow into his body. Let’s take a look at just how insane Giannis would become as a physical specimen:
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The Bucks measured Antetokounmpo's Achilles tendon from the back of the heel to the belly of the calf, and, at 13.5 inches (almost double the length of the average adult male's), well: "I have never seen an Achilles like his," Flanagan says. Many sports scientists believe a long Achilles means more efficient storage and release of elastic energy. That translates to acceleration and explosive movement-exactly the sort of traits that enable Antetokounmpo to, oh, say, burst almost the entire length of the floor in two dribbles. (Seriously. Google it.) So much for Antetokounmpo's having an Achilles' heel.
I recommend reading the whole thing
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Please tell me why Jaxson cannot possibly develop his handle to be as good as Giannis. What's the limitation
He’s a center. Been a center his whole collegiate and professional career. If he did have a good ball handle he’d have been used at least like a point center (think Jokic). Also 99.999% of Centers don’t just become good ball handlers. Especially to the point of being as good as Giannis.
This is maybe the only place on the internet where somebody thinks Jaxson can become Giannis
Posted on 9/20/21 at 12:04 pm to theducks
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This is maybe the only place on the internet where somebody thinks Jaxson can become Giannis
I think he doesn't like the AD comparison because AD is passive and soft while Jaxson is so recklessly fierce he'll take on the entire LAPD. But there is no way the Jaxson plays more like Giannis than AD. One is an elite offensive engine, one is an elite offensive finisher. Jaxson is a finisher, not an engine.
Posted on 9/20/21 at 12:18 pm to theducks
"Can" and "Will" are two different things. All but the most delusional will readily acknowledge the odds are greatly against it...just as it was for G himself. The "can" is based on his size and athleticism, combined with a certain smoothness that isn't common among most big men.
Jax didn't play bball until later in life. While it isn't likely that he ever becomes an adept primary ball handler, the possibility remains. More so than most in the NBA, he has not come close to reaching his potential.
Key take away for me: a Tyson Chandler type contribution from Hayes is enough to have me excited. We have a young core that continues to develop, giving us plenty of room for optimism. Now if our coach is what we hope he is, we will be a perennial playoff team with the potential to compete for rings. That is exciting news as a Pels fan
Jax didn't play bball until later in life. While it isn't likely that he ever becomes an adept primary ball handler, the possibility remains. More so than most in the NBA, he has not come close to reaching his potential.
Key take away for me: a Tyson Chandler type contribution from Hayes is enough to have me excited. We have a young core that continues to develop, giving us plenty of room for optimism. Now if our coach is what we hope he is, we will be a perennial playoff team with the potential to compete for rings. That is exciting news as a Pels fan
Posted on 9/20/21 at 12:44 pm to brmark70816
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3 straight lies and you just figure no one will call you out on it. Makes sense. I just don't have the interest enough to stalk you back..
Bro I literally had to walk you through multiple pages about how absolutely retarded your attempt to apply career averages that encompass the entire league to all star level players like BI.
You insisted on trying to claim BI's prime was 22-23 and that he was closer to the end of his career than the beginning....at 22. You called him going into a physical decline around 25 an absolute certainly.....And then months later go on to knight for Wiggins, who by your logic is about to be out of the league and in irreversible decline.
Posted on 9/20/21 at 12:57 pm to Bronc
Posted on 9/20/21 at 1:39 pm to smoke225
No, not at all.
1. I said Ingram was entering his prime, at 22-23 and would stay there for several seasons. I said he would probably be out of the league by 30. What he stated is exaggerated, to the point of being a lie.
2. I like Wiggins. I think he has value. I believe he is a similar player to Ingram and is more physically gifted. He has put up almost the exact similar numbers offensively, when give the opportunity (should have been an All-star the year Ingram made it) and he is a better defender. They were talking about a package built around Wiggins and bunch more. I never said that Wiggins was better. Another lie.
3. I think Zion would be good playing with anybody. I said that Simmons is better than Graham or anybody in that poo package. Please disagree with me on that. Zion can play next to anyone.. I guess in this case you didn't like. I think Zion would be great playing next to Simmons or anybody else. So, my bad. Just two lies..
1. I said Ingram was entering his prime, at 22-23 and would stay there for several seasons. I said he would probably be out of the league by 30. What he stated is exaggerated, to the point of being a lie.
2. I like Wiggins. I think he has value. I believe he is a similar player to Ingram and is more physically gifted. He has put up almost the exact similar numbers offensively, when give the opportunity (should have been an All-star the year Ingram made it) and he is a better defender. They were talking about a package built around Wiggins and bunch more. I never said that Wiggins was better. Another lie.
3. I think Zion would be good playing with anybody. I said that Simmons is better than Graham or anybody in that poo package. Please disagree with me on that. Zion can play next to anyone.. I guess in this case you didn't like. I think Zion would be great playing next to Simmons or anybody else. So, my bad. Just two lies..
Posted on 9/20/21 at 1:45 pm to brmark70816
Remember that 3 year stretch where the preseason reports were that Julian Wright turned the corner?
Fun times.
Fun times.
Posted on 9/20/21 at 2:00 pm to brmark70816
1.) And we walked through that point by point, and how stupid it is.
A player in the mold of Ingram(all star level player) will not reach their peak, on average, until 26-28.
A player like Ingram(all star) will last into his 30's.
We walked through his numbers, I know you tried to deny it and cling to using raw data instead of cleaned up and more comparable data, but it doesn't change the numbers.
2.) Wiggins is not a fraction of the player Ingram is. Claiming Wiggins and BI are about the same speaks to how poorly you analyze the game of basketball....You are helping my point, not deflating it here.
3.)You claimed, bafflingly, that Zion and Simmons don't positionally conflict and would be great together. You made a statement about synergy and that statement is, again, utterly silly.
Throw in the comment in here about not grasping or even really desiring a stretch 5 around Zion, and yeah, I stand by my statement that your basketball analysis' is kind of sus
A player in the mold of Ingram(all star level player) will not reach their peak, on average, until 26-28.
A player like Ingram(all star) will last into his 30's.
We walked through his numbers, I know you tried to deny it and cling to using raw data instead of cleaned up and more comparable data, but it doesn't change the numbers.
2.) Wiggins is not a fraction of the player Ingram is. Claiming Wiggins and BI are about the same speaks to how poorly you analyze the game of basketball....You are helping my point, not deflating it here.
3.)You claimed, bafflingly, that Zion and Simmons don't positionally conflict and would be great together. You made a statement about synergy and that statement is, again, utterly silly.
Throw in the comment in here about not grasping or even really desiring a stretch 5 around Zion, and yeah, I stand by my statement that your basketball analysis' is kind of sus
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Posted on 9/20/21 at 3:06 pm to Bronc
Did you lie or not? Exaggerate to prove a point?
A guy posted a futures list that said the same exact thing about Ingram. But you aren't jumping his shite and rehashing it every few weeks. I just disagree with you. Got it bookmarked. If/when I'm wrong, I'll own it. Let's see if you do the same.
Once again, I disagree with you valuation of Wiggins. You believe he is garbage and has no value. He should have been on the all defense team last year and became a nice 3rd-4th option type of player. That is a solid player to have. Plus he'll be expiring next year. So he is a nice trade piece. I would take him. Almost no one around the league believes he is a negative asset. But keep beating that drum.
Lastly. I want a good Center that does good Center shite. That doesn't include jacking up 3s. Someone else said Tyson Chandler. You shrugged and moved on. Was Tyson Chandler a shooter? No.. he never shot any in his 20 year career and never ever averaged over 12ppg. Why didn't you jump on that guy for saying the same exact thing I said?
A guy posted a futures list that said the same exact thing about Ingram. But you aren't jumping his shite and rehashing it every few weeks. I just disagree with you. Got it bookmarked. If/when I'm wrong, I'll own it. Let's see if you do the same.
Once again, I disagree with you valuation of Wiggins. You believe he is garbage and has no value. He should have been on the all defense team last year and became a nice 3rd-4th option type of player. That is a solid player to have. Plus he'll be expiring next year. So he is a nice trade piece. I would take him. Almost no one around the league believes he is a negative asset. But keep beating that drum.
Lastly. I want a good Center that does good Center shite. That doesn't include jacking up 3s. Someone else said Tyson Chandler. You shrugged and moved on. Was Tyson Chandler a shooter? No.. he never shot any in his 20 year career and never ever averaged over 12ppg. Why didn't you jump on that guy for saying the same exact thing I said?
Posted on 9/20/21 at 3:51 pm to Bronc
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Hayes is very unlikely to become anything close to Giannis, not least of which they just aren't really built the same. Hayes has quickness for a center, but he has a skinnier frame
Look at pics of Giannis at 21 years old. Hayes absolutely has the opportunity to develop his body. There's no reason that Jaxson has to stay skinny.
Oh, and I agree that Jaxson is unlikely to become Giannis. I just think that it's possible.
This post was edited on 9/20/21 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 9/20/21 at 4:01 pm to theducks
All that stuff about Giannis's Achilles tendon is about how explosive he is, but Jaxson is also incredibly explosive, so I don't know what you are trying to prove with that. Strictly in terms of explosiveness, I think Jaxson is already right there with Giannis.
That's why you think that Jaxson can't develop his handle? Really?
Jaxson doesn't have a good handle now because he hasn't developed it, because he didn't really play basketball until five years ago. Anyone can work on dribbling skills and improve with practice. That's why you see guys like Steph do those drills all the time, even before games.
You gave no reason that Jaxson cannot develop a handle as good as the one that Giannis has. It's absolutely possible.
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He’s a center. Been a center his whole collegiate and professional career. If he did have a good ball handle he’d have been used at least like a point center (think Jokic). Also 99.999% of Centers don’t just become good ball handlers. Especially to the point of being as good as Giannis.
That's why you think that Jaxson can't develop his handle? Really?
Jaxson doesn't have a good handle now because he hasn't developed it, because he didn't really play basketball until five years ago. Anyone can work on dribbling skills and improve with practice. That's why you see guys like Steph do those drills all the time, even before games.
You gave no reason that Jaxson cannot develop a handle as good as the one that Giannis has. It's absolutely possible.
Posted on 9/20/21 at 4:48 pm to GOP_Tiger
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All that stuff about Giannis's Achilles tendon is about how explosive he is, but Jaxson is also incredibly explosive, so I don't know what you are trying to prove with that. Strictly in terms of explosiveness, I think Jaxson is already right there with Giannis.
The whole point is how much of an anomaly Giannis is. Shaq is the only other guy in the last 25 years that is remotely comparable to how physically dominant Giannis is inside.
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That's why you think that Jaxson can't develop his handle? Really?
Honestly man - yes. It’s not that complicated. How many centers in the league even have a handle? Then how many can handle it like Giannis? This isn’t 2k where you allocate training to Jaxson’s ball handling then suddenly he can cross people up. If it were that easy to handle the ball in the NBA then everyone else would be doing the same thing.
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Jaxson doesn't have a good handle now because he hasn't developed it, because he didn't really play basketball until five years ago. Anyone can work on dribbling skills and improve with practice. That's why you see guys like Steph do those drills all the time, even before games
Idk if you think Jaxson can become Steph with practice more power to you. Maybe he’ll become Allen Iverson. I hope you’re right.
Posted on 9/20/21 at 4:50 pm to GOP_Tiger
Hold up, because of one tweet with no actual video evidence, people comparing Jaxon to Giannis now? What did I just get in to? Gotta love the offseason
Posted on 9/20/21 at 7:24 pm to theducks
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Honestly man - yes. It’s not that complicated. How many centers in the league even have a handle? Then how many can handle it like Giannis? This isn’t 2k where you allocate training to Jaxson’s ball handling then suddenly he can cross people up. If it were that easy to handle the ball in the NBA then everyone else would be doing the same thing.
Yes, Jaxson is a center. Do you realize how few men there actually are who are 7' tall? Pablo Torre wrote an article ten years ago estimating that, of the men that tall between ages 20 and 40 in the US at the time, 17% of them were currently in the NBA. To be blunt, being that tall is a deformity. A lot of men that tall have gigantism or Marfan syndrome, and a great many of them have serious back, hip, or knee issues, because the human body isn't supposed to be that tall. Many of the rest are horribly awkward and uncoordinated. Hell, I had a friend at LSU who was "just" 6'7", and he was horribly uncoordinated.
That's why, if you're the LSU basketball coach and you see a guy playing tuba in the marching band who is 7 feet tall, you ask him to join the team, and then that guy can go on to a professional career playing basketball in Europe---because you don't have to be a good athlete at that size. Lots of NBA centers really aren't very good athletes at all.
And, for many of them, playing basketball isn't something for which they had some special passion. It's not something that they devoted hours each day to practicing, because it was simply expected of them. They never had to practice to be good.
That's why guys like Durant, AD, and Giannis are so incredibly rare.
How much time do you think that the average NBA center has spent doing ball-handling exercises? How many of them have actually tried to develop a handle?
Posted on 9/21/21 at 4:02 am to GOP_Tiger
Excellent post
Posted on 9/21/21 at 8:28 am to Bronc
Wiggins and BI are absolutely comparable players. That’s a terrible take
Posted on 9/21/21 at 9:58 am to Bronc
quote:The truth is somewhere in the middle.
Wiggins is not a fraction of the player Ingram is. Claiming Wiggins and BI are about the same
Posted on 9/21/21 at 10:21 am to GOP_Tiger
This is a great write up. I'm not sure which point you are going for. But most 7 footers just aren't great athletes, as you point out. Nevermind actually being good at basketball.
Being a great ballhandler is a gift. Same as vision, being able to play fast and so many other skills. You can enhance and improve them. But some things are just God given.
Hayes has great athletic abilities for his height. There is no doubt. It would be very unusual for him to become above average at any basketball skill. He doesn't need to be though. There are literally HS players with more BB skill than Shaq ever had. Those physical gifts were unparalleled though. I just want Hayes to become great at something. Rebounding. Shot blocking. Just anything. I really don't care how he shots. I just don't think that matters..
Being a great ballhandler is a gift. Same as vision, being able to play fast and so many other skills. You can enhance and improve them. But some things are just God given.
Hayes has great athletic abilities for his height. There is no doubt. It would be very unusual for him to become above average at any basketball skill. He doesn't need to be though. There are literally HS players with more BB skill than Shaq ever had. Those physical gifts were unparalleled though. I just want Hayes to become great at something. Rebounding. Shot blocking. Just anything. I really don't care how he shots. I just don't think that matters..
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