WILLIE GREEN LOST THE TEAM TONIGHT

I simply cannot wrap my head around how we aren’t much MUCH better, given all the fricking tools and luck we’ve had with trades and drafting over the last few years.

It’s embarrassing to not be a home court lock 5 years into this build with the players we have.

There’s no excuse to not be able to coach that team into contention.

Yeah, he is way too passive. I've been done with him this entire season. The blown leads, the confused looks on his face, the post game pressers where he sometimes say the right things but doesn't actually implement them. My hope is that he is our Mark Jackson and we find a coach that can get the most out of a very talented roster.

I feel like y’all are wishcasting a bit with your reactions to Willie. Did any player say anything to make y’all think the mood has changed in the locker room?

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Did any player say anything to make y’all think the mood has changed in the locker room?

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Its what they didn’t say. 3 players were ejected for basically talking back to the refs. Zion got a tech and nearly got undercut. Willie Green not only did not get tech but publicly chastised the players for losing their cool, instead of having their backs. Imagine your in that locker room as a player/athlete- internally would you respect and value Willie and he understands where you’re coming from? Would you as a player think Willie has your back?

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How did he do with managing Zion?

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Ummmm, he did great, Zion actually loved him

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Did you agree with the decision to start Bledsoe all season?

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No, but who else did he have to play? The roster that season had alot of deficiencies and not even close to the talent level we have now.

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He couldn't get guys like BI to play defense, because they hated him so much.

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Because BI is soft and has to be babied, we already know that.

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Zion left the bubble for personal reasons and came back 20 pounds heavier, and we missed the postseason.

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This happened under Gentry

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Remember the JJ Redick "thousand-yard stare"?

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JJ was checked out that whole season because he didn’t want to be here anymore

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I feel like y’all are wishcasting a bit with your reactions to Willie. Did any player say anything to make y’all think the mood has changed in the locker room?

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I think this is an actions speak much louder than words situation. This team has come out with no fight in three straight games. The Phoenix and Orlando games were inexcusable. The game plan, the execution, the effort, the adjustments. In professional sports you are judged by how you perform when it matters most.

Willie has had absolutely zero answers both offensively and defensively in the last two games. Against Phoenix he allowed the same player to go off for 50+ points again and that is with the best perimeter defender in the league on his roster. Last night, the zone defense was a joke. Joel actually called it a sieve on the broadcast. Offensively, he has allowed back to back teams to just park guys in the lane to stop our best player and he still has yet to make an adjustment.

When Herb Jones' effort and intensity can be called into question, there is a problem coming from the top down.

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That is you guessing based on your own standards. I’m not saying you're wrong, you just are basing this on what you think should be happening, not on anything we have heard from players.

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You’re right they’re is guessing here but if you been around competitive sports in any locker room this will become an issue. 4 players don’t get techs unlesd they feel like they HAVE TO. Remember these players are paying out of their own pocket because they’re that frustrated.

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A guy known as a players coach is probably not going to lose a locker room over one incident, if this is even an incident. Where you see a coach not fighting for his players, others see a coach trying to get players ready for unfair officiating in the playoffs.

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This had been going on all season in regards to Willie being passive in calling out refs. Last night was a buildup of the frustration that players felt they had to take into their own hands. No one sees what Willie did in getting his players ready for the playoffs- thats highly unlikely. What you saw yesterday is frustration from players boil over onto the floor and the coach then chastising the players for it.

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The game was over when it happened, so it does seem silly and tone deaf for Willie to make a point about it. I just don’t think it will reach the level of impact you are presuming. Especially with 3 team first players like that.

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The fact it was THOSE 3 players is exactly the point. When they have to take matters into their hands, pay money out of their pocket, and get ejected to visibly show they’re tired of it. Name me the last time you saw 3 players ejected, your star gets a tech and the coach not only doesn’t get one tech but then blames the players at the presser? I think your dismissing something that has bubbling over all season. They felt like Willie wont stand up for the team, so we will.

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The guys themselves may like each other, but I promise you that locker room is split over Dummie Green.

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Not sure if you guys watch Pro Pels Talk but those guys have actual connections with players on the team. They’ve hinted without outright saying that there are players that have grown tired of Green as a head coach. That the Willie Green issue is not just talk on this board or for fans, its a real issue for the players and the administration staff as well. Regardless of what happens this season (im assuming we’re not getting out of first round), I think Willie will likely not be retained.

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Not sure if you guys watch Pro Pels Talk but those guys have actual connections with players on the team. They’ve hinted without outright saying that there are players that have grown tired of Green as a head coach. That the Willie Green issue is not just talk on this board or for fans, its a real issue for the players and the administration staff as well.

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I never said it was, I just said your assumption seemed to have a flimsy foundation. It still does, but adding information like this would help. Have any quotes stood out from them?

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Regardless of what happens this season (im assuming we’re not getting out of first round), I think Willie will likely not be retained.

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I don't doubt that. Choosing Willie reportedly wasn't Griff's decision in the first place. I am really surprised that Willie being on an expiring contract has not been covered more. Uncle Al being a lame duck was brought up all of the time IIRC.

Then there is MM's rumor Soggy just mentioned from February. I know a lot of people don't think MM has sources and just tries to spin people up, but that is a pretty weird rumor to claim as sourced and troll people with. Willie is expiring, you can just not resign him if you want a new coach.