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re: Why the Chet hate?
Posted on 5/15/22 at 3:07 pm to GynoSandberg
Posted on 5/15/22 at 3:07 pm to GynoSandberg
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But I agree, he and Zion do a lot of the same things well. Defensively it would get kind of sticky next to JV and Zion.
I don’t think JV’s career here be long term, but I’m not really worried about the fit. We always kind of agreed for this team to truly succeed with Zion on the floor he’s gonna have to be able to defend on the perimeter anyway. Offensively I think both are special and they can both play inside out, that’s not even a concern for me. I’ve said in the past I view Paolo more in the vein of Giannis offensively, though I think he will be able to shoot it better.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 3:18 pm to The_Duke
Brether, that article says one thing really, that centers are being left open.
That is fine, & an interesting observation. But if you aren’t telling me why that is detrimental to the offensive team, then there really isn’t much you can do with that information.
Furttrmore, if you are going to leave my 40% 3-guy open, I’m taking that all day
That is fine, & an interesting observation. But if you aren’t telling me why that is detrimental to the offensive team, then there really isn’t much you can do with that information.
Furttrmore, if you are going to leave my 40% 3-guy open, I’m taking that all day
Posted on 5/15/22 at 3:27 pm to Lester Earl
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That is fine, & an interesting observation. But if you aren’t telling me why that is detrimental to the offensive team, then there really isn’t much you can do with that information.
That article explores the concept of the stretch big being a myth. and it is---in order to stretch the floor that means you are drawing players out to defend you and that in turn open the floor up for other players. That's not what's happening, what happens is it is beneficial to have a big capable of hitting the three because the defense will leave them open. As I said earlier unless Chet revolutionizes the game of basketball and becomes the first big to draw players out on him, he will be a bust because that's all he can potentially do is hang out and shoot threes.
but every big that has come into the league with 'stretching" the floor being their main thing has not worked. it has to be a compliment to their game, it cant be their main thing.
This post was edited on 5/15/22 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 5/15/22 at 3:35 pm to The_Duke
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If Chet was the 10-15th pick overall--sure you take a flyer on him and see if it pans out. But if you are a GM that may be fired in the next 2 yrs, you aren't taking him 1-3.
We're talking about hypothetically taking Chet 1 overall. I wouldn't mind him if its 10 etc.
Out of curiosity...exactly when...do you expect Chet to be drafted?
Posted on 5/15/22 at 3:39 pm to Dinky Mulberry
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Out of curiosity...exactly when...do you expect Chet to be drafted?
Oh, he's def going top 5 as of today.
but we are starting to hear more ppl pulling back on him
This post was edited on 5/15/22 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 5/15/22 at 4:21 pm to The_Duke
Grant Williams should have been the #1 overall pick
He can stretch the floor!!
He can stretch the floor!!
This post was edited on 5/15/22 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 5/15/22 at 5:03 pm to The_Duke
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but we are starting to hear more ppl pulling back on him
What are you hearing?
Posted on 5/15/22 at 5:04 pm to The_Duke
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That article explores the concept of the stretch big being a myth and it is .
No it doesn’t. Please quote those parts and post it here.
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and becomes the first big to draw players out on him
You do realize this is advantageous to these guys that can actually shoot, right?
Posted on 5/15/22 at 7:11 pm to CP3forMVP
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Offensively I think both are special and they can both play inside out, that’s not even a concern for me. I’ve said in the past I view Paolo more in the vein of Giannis offensively, though I think he will be able to shoot it better.
Outside shot? Or overall offensive game?
Posted on 5/15/22 at 7:21 pm to Chalkywhite84
Outside shot, I don’t think he will be better offensively because I don’t think he has the physical gifts of Giannis. But I think he will shoot it a little better and has the potential to be a slightly better passer. I could see him being a 28pt and 5-6asts sort of guy.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 7:40 pm to GynoSandberg
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What are you hearing?
Just listening to NBA draft pods---seems like a lot of ppl have the same questions we are asking here. It more glaring that some here think he's a lock superstar than us who think he's a huge risk
Posted on 5/15/22 at 7:51 pm to CP3forMVP
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Outside shot, I don’t think he will be better offensively because I don’t think he has the physical gifts of Giannis
Banchero will mainly be a mid-range shooter...and, to be honest, a solid one but I hate mid-range shooters in today's game. I think Pels will have plenty of 3-pt shooting next year...and need defensive help. Hence, I like the Chetster even though he is the most likely to "bust" of the top 3...because Chet also has the highest ceiling of the top 3. If he developes, he would be a PERFECT fit...for this Pels team.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 9:32 pm to Lester Earl
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No it doesn’t. Please quote those parts and post it here.
Are you retarded? The title of the article is literally ‘THE MYTH OF THE STRETCH BIG”
“In theory, these players “stretch” the floor by dragging their defender (often a rim protector) out of the paint and toward the perimeter to create more space and efficient opportunities for teammates to score around the basket.
But in reality, defenses are happy to leave Stretch 5s open and dare them to shoot”.
But I think it’s worth asking if they could dial it back. After all, how valuable is it really to have a Center permanently stationed out on the perimeter taking wide open threes if that’s what the defense wants them to do anyway.
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do realize this is advantageous to these guys that can actually shoot, right?
The point is, unless this big is shooting like Curry, or Grant Williamsvwas tonight, they will leave him open. Are you banking on Chet shooting 10-15 threes a night?
Posted on 5/15/22 at 9:58 pm to Pelicans4Real
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reverse racism
What an idiotic phrase. Sadly everyone knows what your intention is here but that’s just dumb. Racism is racism. The reverse is not racism.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 10:06 pm to The_Duke
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But in reality, defenses are happy to leave Stretch 5s open and dare them to shoot”
Seems to me, it would depend on what a particular "5" could shoot percentage-wise from the 3-pt line. At the moment, there aren't many 5s that can earn the respect to draw a big C out from the basket to contest a 3-pt shot. There's obviously a 3-pt % that would demand that the opposing C come out and try & contest the 3-pt shot. The question is: WHAT is that % and can Chet shoot THAT % or better from 3. Past performance would say he can...if left open.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 10:55 pm to The_Duke
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Are you banking on Chet shooting 10-15 threes a night?
This is why I like Jabari over Chet.
And I've been on the Chet train since high school, I just think that Jabari is going to be a stone cold killer in the NBA.
I'll be happy just to get the 8th pick, I'd be ecstatic with anyone in the top 4.
Posted on 5/15/22 at 11:24 pm to The_Duke
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The title of the article is literally ‘THE MYTH OF THE STRETCH BIG”
And no where in the article does it denounce the effectiveness of the stretch big
They have a stat about who is left open but there is ZERO analysis or findings in that article that proves anything.
Again, I ask you, please post it directly into this thread. What you just quoted says nothing. That article does not say what you think it does. Periodt, brether.
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The point is, unless this big is shooting like Curry, or Grant Williamsvwas tonight, they will leave him open. Are you banking on Chet shooting 10-15 threes a night?
Karl Anthony Towns has been a 40% 3pt shooter over the last 5 years.
JJ Redick has been a 41% 3pt shooter
Would you understand how stupid it would make you sound if you started saying that playing off jj redick would be beneficial?
You do realize how stupid this sounds, right?
Posted on 5/15/22 at 11:29 pm to JustLivinTheDream
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Are you banking on Chet shooting 10-15 threes a night?
This is why I like Jabari over Chet.
The purpose for wanting a stretch 5, that can shoot well enough to draw the opposing C away from the hoop, is to open things up inside (for somebody like Zion etc...) You do NOT expect the stretch 5 to be one of your best 3-pt shooters BUT you merely want him to shoot well enough to demand the other team to NOT just leave him wide open.
Anything at or above NBA league average of 36% or so should accomplish your goal. You really don't care if your 5 shoots 1 OR 15 3-pt shots per game, as long as he can shoot well enough to continuously draw their rim protector out of the lane. It's fairly simple & most teams would love to do it...the hard part is finding that legit BIG that can shoot the 3 well enough, if left unattended. Chet shot 39% on 105 3s this year, 3 1/2 per game. 39% on 3s translates to an eFG% of 58.5%...THAT guy would demand somebody come out & guard him...and Zion would be quite appreciative.
And btw...Grant Williams only shot 38.8% from 3 tonight. It only seemed to be much better because he kept shooting the wide open shots they gave him and he ended up shooting 18 of them...and hitting 7 of them.
This post was edited on 5/15/22 at 11:49 pm
Posted on 5/16/22 at 8:13 am to Dinky Mulberry
Since i think i kind of started the negativity around Chet some time ago, i'll just remind you all that the point of what i stated was merely pointing out the fact that there is only 1 player in the entire NBA that is 6'10"+ and under 215lbs currently, and that's the stick figure in OKC. Under no circumstances can Poku play the 5, or even the 4, and this thought that 195lb Chet could is just unrealistic.
Chet may end up being a really good nba player, but it 100% won't be at the 5. If he can put on 20-25lbs, which is a lot by the way, then he could be a solid 4 in the league, but if he stays under 210-215, he's more of a 3 than a 4.
and there's nothign wrong with that if he can do it defensively and if he can turn into a guy that can get to his spot on the floor, turn and rise up and shoot uncontested jumpers. But as others have pointed out, that is likely going to take some time for him to get to that point b/c he's going to have to get stronger, and that might take 4 years.
I love his toughness, and that's the only reason i would draft him in the top 8-10 spots, but there's easily 5-6 guys that i would take before him right now, and it has everything to do with his weight.
You just can't expect him to be the lone exception to be able to play the 4/5 at 6'10" or bigger and weight well under 215lbs when it's literally never been done before. i see the comparisons to Mobley, but Chet literally has to gain 20lbs to get to Mobley's weight. Maybe he gets to that 215-220lb range, but i doubt it happens anytime soon. Everyone acts like it's no big deal to just add weight. for some guys it's just impossible to do it, especially when you're this active, and it's not until they get older and their metabolism starts slowing down a little bit before they can keep some extra weight on.
Chet may end up being a really good nba player, but it 100% won't be at the 5. If he can put on 20-25lbs, which is a lot by the way, then he could be a solid 4 in the league, but if he stays under 210-215, he's more of a 3 than a 4.
and there's nothign wrong with that if he can do it defensively and if he can turn into a guy that can get to his spot on the floor, turn and rise up and shoot uncontested jumpers. But as others have pointed out, that is likely going to take some time for him to get to that point b/c he's going to have to get stronger, and that might take 4 years.
I love his toughness, and that's the only reason i would draft him in the top 8-10 spots, but there's easily 5-6 guys that i would take before him right now, and it has everything to do with his weight.
You just can't expect him to be the lone exception to be able to play the 4/5 at 6'10" or bigger and weight well under 215lbs when it's literally never been done before. i see the comparisons to Mobley, but Chet literally has to gain 20lbs to get to Mobley's weight. Maybe he gets to that 215-220lb range, but i doubt it happens anytime soon. Everyone acts like it's no big deal to just add weight. for some guys it's just impossible to do it, especially when you're this active, and it's not until they get older and their metabolism starts slowing down a little bit before they can keep some extra weight on.
This post was edited on 5/16/22 at 8:14 am
Posted on 5/16/22 at 9:21 am to Lester Earl
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Karl Anthony Towns has been a 40% 3pt shooter over the last 5 years. JJ Redick has been a 41% 3pt shoote
JJ was not a center---not sure what you mean. Bringing him up makes no sense. The theory of the stretch big is to get the other team's big man out of the paint to open up driving lanes and remove rim protection. The other team's big man isn't guarding JJ.
Again Towns CAN stretch the floor but that isn't his main thing--it's complementary to his overall game. But even with that, team's are more than happy to let Towns sit outside, unguarded, and shoot 3s all night because it's beneficial to a defense to not have him down low.
The concept of being a stretch big is to draw the defense out and open the lanes up---that is not what is happening. The team just let the big man shoot. Chet won't shoot 45-50% from 3.
And even if your case is he had a high shooting % in college, well J.Smith had a better %. Why aren’t you all in on him?
This post was edited on 5/16/22 at 9:31 am
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