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re: Why are there no serious workouts scheduled?

Posted on 6/11/13 at 11:31 am to
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 11:31 am to
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Being number 6 could cause problems because "top 5" guys may refuse to workout for the Pelicans.


There could be some gamesmanship going on with agents not wanting to let their players workout for teams out of the Top 5, since the top of this draft is so fluid.
Posted by Cap Crunch
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 11:35 am to
I feel like they'd want to do the opposite though. If one of those "top 5" guys slips out of the top 5, which is very likely in this draft, then teams behind that may be reluctant to take them because they never got to see them workout, and the teams that did may have passed on him because of something they saw during the workout
Posted by BarbaricPelican
LaPlace
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 11:39 am to
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Being number 6 could cause problems because "top 5" guys may refuse to workout for the Pelicans.


Great point. Also, at 6. Can't read into who they bring in to work out given a few players rising and some bound to fall because of that... 6th is a tough spot. Why would Porter, Oladipo, or McLemore work out for a 6th pick if they believe they are top 5 and schedule top 5 team workouts... That's something to consider
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 11:43 am to
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I feel like they'd want to do the opposite though.


Player "The Pelicans want me to work out, should I?"
Agent "Do you want to lose $5 million?"

It's the same mentality of guys that don't workout at combines. There is nothing to gain meaning at best you lose.
Posted by Cap Crunch
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 11:46 am to
I'd agree with that if there were guys that were definitely top 5 picks, but outside of McLemore and maybe Noel (though it doesn't matter because he can't workout anyway) there really aren't any guys that are locks. Seems risky to not take a chance to prove yourself when you could very likely still end up slipping in the draft anyway
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 11:46 am to
Its all about perception.

If a guy is in the mix for a top 5 pick, he's not going to drop to 13 because he didn't work out. A team will take him and be happy that he fell.
Posted by quail man
New York, NY
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 11:46 am to
Dell worked out a deal with Saric's agent. Threw out the ole smokescreen. Nobody will touch him till we get him later back after we trade back. BOOK IT.

PT meltdown STAAAAAACKED. PT FUUUUUUUUUCKED.
This post was edited on 6/11/13 at 11:48 am
Posted by Cap Crunch
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 12:09 pm to
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 1:27 pm to
Burke gets a private workout because that's the only type he's decided to participate in. If they want to see him work, it would have to be in a 1 on 1 setting. For them to bring him in mean they obviously have some interest. Regardless of what our shitty local media says.

As for the others, they could knock out our entire draft board in 1 or 2 group sessions over a day or two. I don't see the big deal here.
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 3:43 pm to
The Pelicans have 3 issues this year.

1. Injuries. Never have I seen so many injuries in the top 10 of the draft. Noel, Bennett, and Len really hurts the number of guys they can bring in.

2. Since this isn't a particularly strong draft, none of the top 5 guys want to risk falling. So they'll only work for certain teams. Normally, it wouldn't be such a big deal but since a couple of them can go anywhere from 3-8, the team would really like to see guys like Porter, Oladipo, and Burke up close. Burke remains the only one scheduled and we're unsure what he's going to be allowed to do.

3. There are 7 guys which I consider top tier players in the draft. 3 of them are injured and the other 3 are going to refuse workouts. That leaves Burke who will come in Friday and probably do very little. This is an odd year. The team doesn't have any top tier prospects to bring in due to various reasons. The only guy who's coming is probably Burke. That leaves a lot of sitting around and waiting.

The guys who are slotted later tends to workout later. I'm sure Muhammad, Zeller, MCW, McCollum, and a couple other guys will come in a week or so before the draft. But it's unclear how much they're willing to do.
This post was edited on 6/11/13 at 3:47 pm
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 3:46 pm to
Burke did a lot at his Kings workout, so I would note expect that he would do "very little to nothing" at our workout.
This post was edited on 6/11/13 at 3:47 pm
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 3:49 pm to
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Burke did a lot at his Kings workout, so I would note expect that he would do "very little to nothing" at our workout.


None of those type of workouts puts him in an uncomfortable position. You won't learn anything new about the kid.
Posted by Suntiger
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 3:50 pm to
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13450 posts
Posted on 6/11/13 at 4:07 pm to
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None of those type of workouts puts him in an uncomfortable position. You won't learn anything new about the kid.
I wouldn't call it "very little to nothing." The team can set him up in situations to determine what they want to learn about him. The good thing about him is all the tape in critical/uncomfortable situations in the tournament against top competition. While it may not be one on one, it certainly is not useless in evaluating him.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 6/11/13 at 4:07 pm to
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None of those type of workouts puts him in an uncomfortable position. You won't learn anything new about the kid.


Monty knew pretty immediately after playing 1 on 1 with Luke Babbit that he didn't have the speed or athleticism to play defense. If the main question about Burke is will he have the speed or athleticism to be better than Vasquez, Monty might be able to gauge that.


Speaking of Luke Babbit, this picture is still funny.
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 4:18 pm to
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Monty knew pretty immediately after playing 1 on 1 with Luke Babbit that he didn't have the speed or athleticism to play defense.
The best one was him abusing Udoh, though. That was amazing
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 6/11/13 at 4:19 pm to
That's assuming Burke's agent will allow something like that in the individual workout. I'll be surprised if they allowed Burke to do anything more than they did in Sacramento... which is basically a bunch of drills.
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
22172 posts
Posted on 6/11/13 at 4:21 pm to
I think its just as simple as Dell being in Europe at the Adidas camp in Europe, so they've held off on workouts until he gets back.

I just look at the guys who've worked out for the Kings, a pick after us.

MCW, Burke, Mcollum, Muhammad, among others. Burke's coming Friday and im sure we could get Mcollum, MCW and Muhammad in if we want.
There's plenty of time as they worked out guys up until the day before the draft last year.

Others will start wanting to make good impressions as well. Noel's apparently visiting Washington now, after saying he'd only go to Cleveland or Orlando.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 6/11/13 at 4:25 pm to
These guys are being silly. I want guy that is out to prove he is the best to every team, whether he'd have to fall or not. That could increase the interest towards the top and drive his value up. Not working out tells me you are not exactly an alpha dog. I want alpha dogs. All of these guys have holes in their skill sets. The way to stand out is by showing that you aren't scared to compete. Not working out = scared. Scared = no thank you.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 6/11/13 at 4:41 pm to
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Not working out = scared. Scared = no thank you.


Not working out = Listening to the agent that gave you a cash advance
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