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re: Who we picking at 8?
Posted on 5/18/22 at 1:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/18/22 at 1:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Hollinger just dropped his top-20 prospects and Davis isn't on it
*ETA: no Branham on it, either. Has to be just really shitty writing.
Doesn't he have some sort of formula he uses to create his big board? Could explain why
Posted on 5/18/22 at 1:39 pm to GynoSandberg
Taken from Hollinger's article today:
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Despite that, teams continue to overvalue taking big centers at the top of the draft. We’ve had 18 centers drafted in the top six picks since 2002; only three of them have played in an All-Star Game, and in the case of Chris Kaman, we’re defining this term extremely broadly. Should Mobley and Deandre Ayton eventually make it, we’ll be at five. Woohoo.
Mobley proves the exception to the rule — a 7-foot center who plays as a perimeter player, particularly on defense. Meanwhile the best offensive center in the league (Nikola Jokic) was picked 46th, the best defensive center (Rudy Gobert) was picked 27th, and this year’s other 7-foot All-Stars (Jarrett Allen and Joel Embiid) were picked 22nd and third respectively.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 1:47 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Would any of the top 10 prospects be ruled out because of culture? I know a lot of people think good culture fixes bad players, but usually it has teams focus on adding more good players that fit the culture.
Mathurin's reported bad defensive effort and care seem like something that could possibly rule him out. Does anyone else have red flags that don't fit the culture Willie is building?
Mathurin's reported bad defensive effort and care seem like something that could possibly rule him out. Does anyone else have red flags that don't fit the culture Willie is building?
Posted on 5/18/22 at 1:51 pm to TigerinATL
Again, this is why I think we go with Ochai. Fits the mold of a culture guy who is going to come in and work hard. Adapted to the roles he was given at Kansas, proven winner, fits a particular role immediately. Checks a bunch of boxes. The can also trade back to get him, which Griff clearly doesn’t mind doing. It actually makes the most sense using context of what we’ve done.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 1:54 pm to GynoSandberg
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Can you narrow this list down to the guys who are at least 7’2” 240 lb with 7’7” wing spans and 9’9” standings? Trying to figure out what in tarnation some of those guys have to do with Williams
You mean like what Givony did in his tweets?
Posted on 5/18/22 at 1:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Hollinger just dropped his top-20 prospects and Davis isn't on it
can i see his top 20 prospects from the last 2-3 years as well for reference?
Posted on 5/18/22 at 1:55 pm to TeddyPadillac
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that must be why Utah is going to explore trading maxed out Gobert this offseason
Brether Teddy, they’ve gotten a decades-worth use out of that man.
Three DPOY awards, and a multitude of all nba & all defensive tea.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 1:57 pm to Lester Earl
quote:And yet as good as he is defensively, there's nothing he can do to overcome their shortcomings in the postseason defensively, and they're worst defensively in the postseason for something like 5 straight seasons.
Brether Teddy, they’ve gotten a decades-worth use out of that man.
Three DPOY awards, and a multitude of all nba & all defensive tea.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 1:59 pm to shel311
You need flexibility. But you also need flexibility
Posted on 5/18/22 at 1:59 pm to Lester Earl
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Brether Teddy, they’ve gotten a decades-worth use out of that man.
Three DPOY awards, and a multitude of all nba & all defensive tea.
i like Gobert, but every playoffs he proves that he's not worth that contract.
You can have all the individual regular season accolades you want, but if it doesn't translate to the playoffs, then who really cares?
Posted on 5/18/22 at 2:06 pm to TigerinATL
The Pelicans do not have a pressing need going into the draft. So drafting Ochai would signal their belief in his ability to contribute from day 1. The appeal for Ochai for me stems from his ability to be a true movement shooter that we lack.
Out of all the wing prospect in the top 15, I have the most confidence in his shooting translating.
Out of all the wing prospect in the top 15, I have the most confidence in his shooting translating.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 2:25 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Majority of the centers taken at the top of the draft are selected based off of upside. Namely offensive upside. That will always carry an inherent risk
I’d say jokic, Gobert and Allen are poor examples of “waiting out” big men in the draft.
I’d say jokic, Gobert and Allen are poor examples of “waiting out” big men in the draft.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 2:41 pm to TeddyPadillac
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You can have all the individual regular season accolades you want, but if it doesn't translate to the playoffs, then who really cares?
I think you probably need 2 players for 1 job unless you can find a unicorn to do both
Posted on 5/18/22 at 2:59 pm to TeddyPadillac
Hollinger is either legit retarted or too smart for his own good. he must not even bother to look at skillsets. cant belive that guy ever worked for a front office but im certain he never will again. clearly blind analytics guy
Posted on 5/18/22 at 3:23 pm to NannerB_EazyPellyBoi
He had Gobert as his MVP either last year or the year before. There’s no possible way to come back from that opinion. He lost a lot of people’s respect for his player analysis after that
He invented PER, so now he has to be a slave to that stat to validate himself
He invented PER, so now he has to be a slave to that stat to validate himself
This post was edited on 5/18/22 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 5/18/22 at 3:29 pm to cgrand
DONT OVERTHINK THIS.
MATHURIN IS THE PICK.
MATHURIN IS THE PICK.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 3:35 pm to LilWezyAna
Ousmane Dieng is starting to get a lot of hype online. Already a projected lottery pick, I could see him moving into the 8-10 range.
I have obviously not watched him play and have no opinion on him, just regurgitating what others are saying.
French, Point Forward type. Should be in the 6'9" range, apparently very good ball handler for his size, good passer, very young (about to turn 19 this week), very athletic, good midrange, does not have a good 3 at all yet.
People like Shamit have been hyping him up. Tankathon has us taking him now at 8 in their mock.
(also means nothing at all, but Shamit pointed out he shares an agency with CJ and Trey)
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Jonathan Givony
@DraftExpress
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25m
Watched projected lottery pick Ousmane Dieng work out in Chicago today. Super impressed with his combination of size, fluidity, ball-handling and shot-making ability at 18-years old.
I have obviously not watched him play and have no opinion on him, just regurgitating what others are saying.
French, Point Forward type. Should be in the 6'9" range, apparently very good ball handler for his size, good passer, very young (about to turn 19 this week), very athletic, good midrange, does not have a good 3 at all yet.
People like Shamit have been hyping him up. Tankathon has us taking him now at 8 in their mock.
(also means nothing at all, but Shamit pointed out he shares an agency with CJ and Trey)
This post was edited on 5/18/22 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 5/18/22 at 3:41 pm to Fun Bunch
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I have obviously not watched him play and have no opinion on him, just regurgitating what others are saying.
French, Point Forward type. Should be in the 6'9" range, apparently very good ball handler for his size, good passer, very young (about to turn 19 this week), very athletic, good midrange, does not have a good 3 at all yet.
People like Shamit have been hyping him up. Tankathon has us taking him now at 8 in their mock.
(also means nothing at all, but Shamit pointed out he shares an agency with CJ and Trey)
I'm with you, I haven't seen a minute of him. But the last few weeks you've heard people talking about him in almost a whisper, and it seems to be getting louder.
I'm all for it, whether he becomes (or already is) a candidate for us, or if he goes even higher pushing someone down.
Posted on 5/18/22 at 3:43 pm to saints5021
Davis or the kid from the Baylor
Posted on 5/18/22 at 3:46 pm to CP3forMVP
That's often how it is with the Euro types. The amateur draftniks don't know much about them until we get to the combine and close to the draft. The teams are often well aware.
The guy could stink I have no idea. He does seem to be very fluid, great passer, high IQ in the clips I've seen.
The guy could stink I have no idea. He does seem to be very fluid, great passer, high IQ in the clips I've seen.
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