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re: What Zion did the other night was worse than.......
Posted on 12/10/23 at 3:43 pm to shel311
Posted on 12/10/23 at 3:43 pm to shel311
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We're now arguing that if he just takes Ozempic, he doesn't even need to work hard
No one said he doesn't need to work hard. This is just a path being surmised as a way for him to lose weight.
It's fricking retarded and i don't agree with it due to how it may affect younger people and athletes (there's just not enough info out there to make me feel like it's safe), but no one is saying he doesn't need to work hard.
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Posted on 12/10/23 at 3:44 pm to CP3forMVP
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My issue with the weight thing is even if we are talking conditioning, he didn’t come out in the first or second half playing hard. He didn’t come back after sitting for a stretch and played hard. In terms of the other night it wouldn’t have mattered if he was 220 lbs, it was an effort problem.
This is why this conversation aggravates me. Focusing on his weight is completely missing the target. Everyone should be asking, WHY is he over weight? WHY is he not even trying? WHY is he not sticking with his rehab? WHY is he avoiding a trainer and nutritionist and team help etc??
I don’t want to start rumors, but I think the kid has some deeper issues that no one wants to discuss. Maybe it’s as simple as a drinking problem. Maybe there’s a drug issue. Maybe he’s on medications for other issues. I don’t claim to know the answer. But what he did against the Lakers had nothing to do with Popeyes.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 3:44 pm to Pistol44
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All the shite everyone says about shooting from range, adding counter-moves, boxing out to rebound, and playing transition defense isn't crazy talk. The arrogance (Zion and the team) to think that you can half-azz it playing against elite competition is mind-numbing.
This is what bothers me the most. He has added nothing to his game since he made his NBA debut (which ironically began with him hitting a bunch of threes).
It's like, even in year 5, he still thinks he's at Duke where he can just outphysical and outrun everyone. He refuses to take into account that the players he is going up against are so much bigger and smarter compared to college players and he refuses to take into account that he is nowhere near in the same physical shape that he was at Duke.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 3:53 pm to TigerinATL
Tell him to stop eating 4 dozen beignets with extra white powder and drinking 3 gallons of chocolate milk for breakfast every morning.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 3:59 pm to Broski
JV said today he was disappointed that the team didn’t give effort. There were some lapses in effort but honestly it was one player I saw not giving effort from the tip that was Zion. I do wonder how much these other players will literally keep eating shite for one player who is constantly jogging on offense and not even trying on defense.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 4:01 pm to Taylor31
quote:bullshite. AD's forcing the trade was 100x worse. Why is this all on Zion. He was terrible in the game. However, other than maybe Herb, so was the rest of the team. BI sucked as well. CJ and Trey were terrible. I guess Zion is just the easy target.
Baron Davis refusing to play. Worst than Chris Paul, and Anthony Davis forcing a trade. Zion on a national televised game embarrassed the Pelican franchise, and the city of New Orleans. He sh-- on his teammates, and the fans of New Orleans. The fans of New Orleans have been remarkably patient for Zion to grow up, and earn his huge salary. No other professional athlete in our cities history has been treated with more patience. I have been to ninety percent of Pelican games since Zion was drafted, and I have not heard one boo from the fans. It's time to run him out of town !!!! This very good Pelican team will be better off making a smart trade for Zion if they can find a team to trade with. I've made every excuse to defend Zion Williamson, but not any more. I will boo his arse off until they trade him. He must go, because of all the reasons I mentioned above. His teammates, and the fans have had enough of his bullish--.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 4:01 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:Other than ATL, you mean?
No one said he doesn't need to work hard
He quoted me saying this won't magically be fixed with just a pill and not working, and replied stating "that's exactly what it does" so he very directly said that.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 4:03 pm to NOSHAU
Playing terrible and not giving effort are two different things. Zion wasn’t giving effort man in the game he says he lives for and frankly biggest game of career.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 4:04 pm to shel311
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that's exactly what it does" so he very directly said that.
He said that in regards to his eating habits, why would you infer that he meant both? He simply didn't address the work ethic aspect of what you said.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 4:05 pm to NOSHAU
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bullshite. AD's forcing the trade was 100x worse. Why is this all on Zion. He was terrible in the game. However, other than maybe Herb, so was the rest of the team. BI sucked as well. CJ and Trey were terrible. I guess Zion is just the easy target.
The complaint isn't about one game. That one game is just a symptom of a larger problem. There's a clear trend, and it's not good.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 4:06 pm to NOSHAU
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I guess Zion is just the easy target
For sure, the team did not play well, but Zion was the only one not getting back on defense and that shite's been getting progressively worse over the past five years.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 4:06 pm to NOSHAU
quote:Or that you expect the most from your best player, or that he never gave a an ounce of effort, or that he's woefully out of shape and is completely gassed every 5 minutes or that the team is leaking that he's not listening to them on doing what's needed to get in shape, or that the dude expected to be a top 5-10 player probably doesn't crack the top 30 right now.
I guess Zion is just the easy target
It's either those things, or Zion is the easy target.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 4:07 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:He quoted it, his response was directly to me saying you have to work, his 1st sentence disagreed stating you only needed the pills.
He said that in regards to his eating habits, why would you infer that he meant both? He simply didn't address the work ethic aspect of what you said.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 4:08 pm to Broski
quote:See the net rating and on/off by year compared to this season that I've posted multiple times to show this is bigger than one game.
The complaint isn't about one game. That one game is just a symptom of a larger problem. There's a clear trend, and it's not good.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 4:09 pm to shel311
Yep
Posted on 12/10/23 at 4:48 pm to Broski
It's not just the Laker game that Zion has given poor effort. What game are you watching. Zion does not get back on defense, and even worse in transition. Many times he will jog back on defense. Just check his minutes the past ten games. His minutes are shrinking because of his defense, and I know Murphy is back, but keep an eye on his plus minus stats. The Pels have been better when his arse is on the bench. Listen, I'm convinced, after Thursday night you as a fan cannot ever count on Zion Williamson. After five years this was the biggest hyped game in his short career. He played like he was drunk!!! He was pathetic!!! The effort he gave was unforgivable for the City of New Orleans. Sit him down until he loses 35-45 pounds, or trade him right now for anything. The Raptors may take a chance since Siakam could walk at the end of the year. I will boo tomorrow night, and I am sure I won't be alone.
This post was edited on 12/10/23 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 12/10/23 at 4:50 pm to Taylor31
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It's not just the Laker game that Zion has given poor effort. What game are you watching
Huh?
Why are you asking me this?
Posted on 12/10/23 at 5:06 pm to shel311
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Other than ATL, you mean?
I never said he doesn’t need to work, but diet is a huge part of the problem if he’s gaining weight during the season after he was trending down.
Also, everyone is acting like I’m talking crazy, but his effort clearly is impacted by his weight. We’ve seen it for 4 years. It’s the main issue we talk about regarding Zion regularly. But I’m the crazy person because I think something that should help him with his weight problem might reduce the impact of his other issues. I don’t get it but I’ll drop it.
Posted on 12/10/23 at 5:10 pm to Taylor31
I tend to agree
And for as mad as I was about the AD situation. (Him basically quitting on the team in the offseason after our nice playoff run).
I thought I’d never forgive AD, but after 5 years of Zion. I actually miss AD. The mother Frick played hard as frick for 95% of his tenure here. Sure he would get injured mid game and not return for the rest of the game here or there, but damnit, at least he A) Played most games B) Played hard as frick and C) Played Defense
Zion has fricked around for not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, but for 5 motherfrickinf seasons. And yes, I’m even including that 1 point Zion season. It was his best, but he still played little defense, weighed 285-290, and his playstyle (led to injury) took him and the team officially out of the playoffs. And that was the best season we have to look back on with him actually playing games.
Zion is much more on pace to be the most hated Hornet/Pelican of all time, than he is to be a meaningful player that leads us to playoff wins. That’s a sobering thought, but it’s the “honest truth”.
And for as mad as I was about the AD situation. (Him basically quitting on the team in the offseason after our nice playoff run).
I thought I’d never forgive AD, but after 5 years of Zion. I actually miss AD. The mother Frick played hard as frick for 95% of his tenure here. Sure he would get injured mid game and not return for the rest of the game here or there, but damnit, at least he A) Played most games B) Played hard as frick and C) Played Defense
Zion has fricked around for not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, but for 5 motherfrickinf seasons. And yes, I’m even including that 1 point Zion season. It was his best, but he still played little defense, weighed 285-290, and his playstyle (led to injury) took him and the team officially out of the playoffs. And that was the best season we have to look back on with him actually playing games.
Zion is much more on pace to be the most hated Hornet/Pelican of all time, than he is to be a meaningful player that leads us to playoff wins. That’s a sobering thought, but it’s the “honest truth”.
This post was edited on 12/10/23 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 12/10/23 at 5:12 pm to TigerinATL
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everyone is acting like I’m talking crazy
For thinking that the training staff should look into giving Zion Ozempic... yeah, that's pretty fricking crazy.
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