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re: What would a new Larry Nance deal look like?
Posted on 7/8/22 at 1:16 pm to supe12sta12z
Posted on 7/8/22 at 1:16 pm to supe12sta12z
quote:That Tucker contract is wild as Nance will probably get in that range despite being only about 732 times better than PJ Tucker is right now.
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Posted on 7/8/22 at 1:31 pm to brmark70816
quote:Do you watch NBA? Do you understand what $10 million a year gets a team these days?
Nance played 17 games for us. He had one game (playin against the Clippers) that was really good. Then he had a bunch of solid performances. He never played over 30 minutes and only went over 25 minutes twice. I appreciate what he did but you shouldn't give out multi year extensions based on less than 20 games.
Zion is back. That's 34mpg coming from someone. It's either Murphy, Hayes or Nance getting the scraps. People want to pick Nance. I don't get it. I'm all for high effort vets. But not at 10M+ a year..
Posted on 7/8/22 at 1:35 pm to brmark70816
In the playoffs, which is where we will need him most, Nance will be taking minutes from JV, too.
Posted on 7/8/22 at 1:53 pm to NOSHAU
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Do you watch NBA? Do you understand what $10 million a year gets a team these days?
How many 10-12M back-ups are there in the league? It's less than 10 and almost all received their deal when they were starters.
You just signed your Superstar to a potential Megamax deal and you want to give his potential backup (he still has to beat out Hayes, Lidell and Murphy) a big extension. That makes no sense. There is no need.
Posted on 7/8/22 at 2:22 pm to brmark70816
Josh Richardson
Richaun Holmes
Terrence Ross
Kelly Oubre
Kelly Olynyk
Tyus Jones
Luke Kennard
Jordan Clarkson
Marvin Bagley
Bobby Portis
Talen Horton-Tucker
Do you need me to keep going? That's 10 and there are plenty more
The full MLE is now over 10 mil, players signing for the full MLE are role players, who usually aren't starters (they can be depending upon how top heavy a roster is).
Richaun Holmes
Terrence Ross
Kelly Oubre
Kelly Olynyk
Tyus Jones
Luke Kennard
Jordan Clarkson
Marvin Bagley
Bobby Portis
Talen Horton-Tucker
Do you need me to keep going? That's 10 and there are plenty more
The full MLE is now over 10 mil, players signing for the full MLE are role players, who usually aren't starters (they can be depending upon how top heavy a roster is).
Posted on 7/8/22 at 2:35 pm to brmark70816
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Nance will be out of the rotation by Xmas and traded shortly thereafter.
Nance ended last season as no worse than our 7th best player. He fills a need for us both positionally (mobile big who can play 4 and 5) and skills wise (good screener, good passer/connector, doesn’t need the ball to help the team)
If he falls out of the rotation, it’s because Hayes and Liddell both improve and show they are good NBA role players. Odds of that ain’t great imo
Posted on 7/8/22 at 2:47 pm to Epic Cajun
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Do you need me to keep going? That's 10 and there are plenty more
There is no analysis to any of the people you posted and how/when they go their contracts.
Richardson has started almost every game he ever played in until last year.
Holmes got the contract to be the starting Center for the Kings.
Rose was a starter in Orlando when he got the deal.
Oubre was to be a starter/6th man in Charlotte. Started almost every game for the Warriors the year before.
Olynyk to be a starter with the Heat.
Jones would be a starter elsewhere if the Grizzlies didn't resign him.
Clarkson was 6th man of the year.
Bagley is a rookie contract.
Portis is a sometime starter that took a discount to stay with the Bucks.
THT starts for the Lakers and is one of their top 5 best guys.
So all that and maybe Kennard. Who was a starter in Detroit and the Clippers wanted to start him. But Mann beat him out. So yeah keep going. Find me a pure back up to a Superstar.
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The full MLE is now over 10 mil, players signing for the full MLE are role players, who usually aren't starters (they can be depending upon how top heavy a roster is).
I get that the money is going up. There are almost 150 players that make 10M+. But just cause other teams give out bad deals don't mean we should as well.
Nance is a nice guy. Great. But he is legit our 8th or 9th best player, with 2-3 guys ready to pass him by. Why would you commit to him with a body of work with our core playing?
Posted on 7/8/22 at 2:59 pm to LSUPilot07
Can’t sign everyone. Guys on rookie deals have to replace some of these guys. Liddell did a lot of the same in college. If it translates to the league, Nance is expendable. And I like nance but y’all fall too hard for some of the guys, christ
Posted on 7/8/22 at 3:07 pm to brmark70816
So you're just going to use excuses for all of the players who make 10+ mil and aren't starters? Including some incorrect things such as Bagley on a rookie contract, THT starting 19 games for the Lakers last season, Oubre started 13 games for the Hornets, "Jones would be a starter" yada yada the Grizz paid him 15 mil to be their backup PG, Monk just signed for 9+ mil this offseason, Alec Burks barely started half of the games for the Knicks last season, Chris Boucher signed for roughly the MLE, Batum signed for 11 mil, etc...
~10 mil isn't guaranteed starter money, it's usually how much a high level backup, low level starter makes. If there are ~150 players who make 10+ mil, how many starters do you think make less than that? I would assume quite a few who are still on rookie deals, which then would obviously push down some of those 150 into bench roles
If you read my first post in this thread, I think the team has to make a choice between Jax and Nance. One of those guys is going to make ~10 mil next season and isn't going to be a starter for us, and we pretty much have to pay one of them (barring a trade for another center).
~10 mil isn't guaranteed starter money, it's usually how much a high level backup, low level starter makes. If there are ~150 players who make 10+ mil, how many starters do you think make less than that? I would assume quite a few who are still on rookie deals, which then would obviously push down some of those 150 into bench roles
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Nance is a nice guy. Great. But he is legit our 8th or 9th best player, with 2-3 guys ready to pass him by. Why would you commit to him with a body of work with our core playing?
If you read my first post in this thread, I think the team has to make a choice between Jax and Nance. One of those guys is going to make ~10 mil next season and isn't going to be a starter for us, and we pretty much have to pay one of them (barring a trade for another center).
This post was edited on 7/8/22 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 7/8/22 at 3:36 pm to GynoSandberg
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Can’t sign everyone. Guys on rookie deals have to replace some of these guys. Liddell did a lot of the same in college. If it translates to the league, Nance is expendable. And I like nance but y’all fall too hard for some of the guys, christ
Nance is not some untouchable player, but given what I’ve seen, I’d like to keep him around
Maybe the light comes on for Jaxson or Liddell is too good to keep off the floor. That would be a good problem to have
Posted on 7/8/22 at 3:41 pm to brmark70816
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How many 10-12M back-ups are there in the league? It's less than 10
One of those is Josh Hart. Nance is like a bigger Hart.
Posted on 7/8/22 at 3:45 pm to DallasTiger45
It would be criminal if we can't afford Nance because we have DG/Jax on the roster.
Posted on 7/8/22 at 3:53 pm to brmark70816
I really get annoyed when people bring there dumb nfl mindset to the nba. It’s a different league with different salary cap rules. The nfl has a very firm cap, so you need to be careful how you pay guys, especially backups. NBA is not like that. Since we are already over the salary cap and will be for the future, the only thing that paying backups hurts is Gayle Bensons bank account. Our flexibility to operate the team will not be affected at all if Nance gets 10-12 mil a year as opposed to 6-8. You’re acting like you’re playing franchise in Madden.
Posted on 7/8/22 at 3:59 pm to TigerinATL
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One of those is Josh Hart. Nance is like a bigger Hart.
Exactly, Nance is essentially a 4/5 version of Hart.
Posted on 7/8/22 at 4:05 pm to brmark70816
Nance was a key playoff rotation piece for us last year And dude was like 75% healthy. We are one Zion or Jonas injury away from needing Nance badly.
Over the course of an 82 game season, plus playoffs you need quality depth and leaders.
Paying Nance $8-$12M is not going to hurt us at all. Also, that’s a tradeable salary in a year or 2 if need be.
We are going to extend Nance for 2-3 years at $10M or so per. Just get over it. There are a lot worse things you can do with that money.
Honesty, watch 30 seconds of one interview with Nance and if you don’t get his value and role with his franchise then, then I don’t know what to say.
Nance getting paid MLE money ain’t the thing to melt about.
Over the course of an 82 game season, plus playoffs you need quality depth and leaders.
Paying Nance $8-$12M is not going to hurt us at all. Also, that’s a tradeable salary in a year or 2 if need be.
We are going to extend Nance for 2-3 years at $10M or so per. Just get over it. There are a lot worse things you can do with that money.
Honesty, watch 30 seconds of one interview with Nance and if you don’t get his value and role with his franchise then, then I don’t know what to say.
Nance getting paid MLE money ain’t the thing to melt about.
Posted on 7/8/22 at 6:16 pm to TigerinATL
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How many 10-12M back-ups are there in the league? It's less than 10
I mean, in 2019, we gave JJ Redick $13 million per year to be a backup.
Posted on 7/8/22 at 6:32 pm to saintslsupels
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really get annoyed when people bring there dumb nfl mindset to the nba. It’s a different league with different salary cap rules. The nfl has a very firm cap, so you need to be careful how you pay guys, especially backups. NBA is not like that. Since we are already over the salary cap and will be for the future, the only thing that paying backups hurts is Gayle Bensons bank account. Our flexibility to operate the team will not be affected at all if Nance gets 10-12 mil a year as opposed to 6-8. You’re acting like you’re playing franchise in Madden.
Every offseason it's the same thing with people having no realistic expectations of how the franchise operates. We are not a tax team and have never been one. We will not be one unless we become a serious contender. That mean top 3 seed and conference if not finals appearances. There is no reason for us to be right now and give away extensions that are not warranted or needed.
The team operates on a budget. Money only flows to Benson not the other way around. She doesn't and shouldn't have to spend a dime. That's not how it works.
Posted on 7/8/22 at 6:34 pm to shel311
PJ Ticket gets a lot of hate, but he honestly is not bad and he always seems to be a key role player on a top 5 ish team. But yeah if 37 year old PJ is worth $11M, Nance definitely is.
This post was edited on 7/8/22 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 7/8/22 at 6:45 pm to Epic Cajun
If you could keep Jax for 10 / 12 mil would you??
Posted on 7/8/22 at 6:51 pm to brmark70816
quote:I don’t think this is true. I think most fans still have not adjusted to how much the economics have changed in just the last 10 years.
We will not be one unless we become a serious contender
The Shinn Hornets needed the extra few million from playoff games to not lose money.
There’s like $30ish more million per year in revenue now vs then. On top of that they expect to get a big increase in their TV deal in a few years and a one time windfall of $200-$300 million per team from expansion fees.
The repeater tax is still something to be avoided, but things are changing to the point where you can dip your toe in for a bit and still be profitable.
This post was edited on 7/8/22 at 6:53 pm
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