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re: What/Who should we aim for in a BI trade?
Posted on 1/24/25 at 12:47 pm to Dantheman504
Posted on 1/24/25 at 12:47 pm to Dantheman504
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Pistons, Jazz, Spurs, Nets can get it done with trades this year.
Well he's already said he's not going to the Jazz.
The Nets aren't going to want him. They look like they are goign to suck next year too.
The Pistons and Spurs are not going to have max cap space. The only way to achieve that would be to move 2 of Barnes/Collins/Johnson right now, or Tobias Harris right now, and not take back future salary, and why would they do that? If they were to move those guys right now, it would be to get a guy like BI right now. Both of them aren't looking to gain draft capital. They are looking to use draft capital and their expiring contracts for next year to add a good player. They both konw they aren't signing a max guy in FA b/c who's going to want to go there. They are no different than us. You either draft a max guy, or you trade for one. Barnes/Collins and Harris are their way to a max guy in the offseason, or right now.
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Posted on 1/24/25 at 1:12 pm to TeddyPadillac
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If they were to move those guys right now, it would be to get a guy like BI right now
Which is why I think this is most likely.
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The Nets aren't going to want him.
Why do people keep saying this when they don't have a fricking clue? BI is the closest thing they will get to another Mikail Bridges and they loved Mikail Bridges. So much that they only traded him for 5+ 1st and wanted to keep him. So again knowing all that how tf do y'all just keep assuming the Nets want nothing to do with BI?
The only response I get is "the Nets want to be bad" and idk what the frick that even means. They are bad now and at some point have to rebuild. Which will most likely start at the deadline this year into next season.
The reasoning for the Nets not wanting BI is apparently because they want to be the worst team in the NBA for the next several seasons. Which is an absolutely insane statement considering everything they went through the last 5 years to NOT suck arse.
This post was edited on 1/24/25 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 1/24/25 at 1:17 pm to Dantheman504
Please someone explain to me why a team in complete rebuild mode, with open cap space, that is already guaranteed a good draft pick, that just traded a similarly capable player they cherished, wouldn't want Brandon Ingram.
Just because?
"Because they want to suck" isn't an answer. If we traded Zion for 5 picks and suck for a year then we aren't suddenly NOT trying to get better and forcibly want to be a bottom team in the NBA for several years. And that's not even including the "big market with little success" pressure.
A team that traded for KD and loved Mikail Bridges wouldn't want BI? I really want to understand that philosophy with it making sense. They were obsessed with the 2 most frequently compared players to BI but want nothing to do with him?
Just because?
"Because they want to suck" isn't an answer. If we traded Zion for 5 picks and suck for a year then we aren't suddenly NOT trying to get better and forcibly want to be a bottom team in the NBA for several years. And that's not even including the "big market with little success" pressure.
A team that traded for KD and loved Mikail Bridges wouldn't want BI? I really want to understand that philosophy with it making sense. They were obsessed with the 2 most frequently compared players to BI but want nothing to do with him?
This post was edited on 1/24/25 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 1/24/25 at 1:32 pm to Dantheman504
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Why do people keep saying this when they don't have a fricking clue?
It's an opinion.
I don't know what the hell they are doing. Are they expecting to sign 2 max guys this offseason? I just don't see that happening. So if they aren't doing that, then what are they doing? They've failed the last 2 offeasons to attract any big names, and I think they realize no one is signing with their trash team. They've got to get better first, then they can attract someone big in FA or with a trade demand. They just assumed they'd get Donovan Mitchell, and that fell through after they waited 2 years for it.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 1:39 pm to TeddyPadillac
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It's an opinion
Then stop responding to me saying "the Nets don't want him and won't sign him" with absolutely 0 reasoning behind it.
Them being in love with KD/ Mikail is exactly why it makes sense.
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They've failed the last 2 offeasons to attract any big names
Another reason why it makes sense.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 1:45 pm to Dantheman504
I gave my reasoning. You just don't like it.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 1:53 pm to TeddyPadillac
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It's an opinion.
I don't know what the hell they are doing. Are they expecting to sign 2 max guys this offseason? I just don't see that happening. So if they aren't doing that, then what are they doing? They've failed the last 2 offeasons to attract any big names, and I think they realize no one is signing with their trash team. They've got to get better first, then they can attract someone big in FA or with a trade demand. They just assumed they'd get Donovan Mitchell, and that fell through after they waited 2 years for it.
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I gave my reasoning. You just don't like it
You gave more reasons why they would want to make the deal > reasons they shouldn't....
Your reasoning screams "get a player like BI". Your opinion says they want nothing to do with him. That's why I'm confused.
If they have failed to get all star caliber players and won't get more FA until they are better then those are both reasons to add an all star caliber player through a trade.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 2:01 pm to Dantheman504
I legit couldn't care less what we get for him. Just get him away from this franchise, and do not extend him under any circumstances, is enough of a wing. Griff screwed this move up (surprise), take what you can get.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 2:43 pm to Dantheman504
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If they have failed to get all star caliber players and won't get more FA until they are better then those are both reasons to add an all star caliber player through a trade.
My assumption is they'd rather go the next 2 years being young and bad, and keep building through the draft before they make their big move for FA's.
What good is it to have BI on a team with Ace Bailey and crap?
It just seems like all signs point towards them going all in on being young next year and completely rebuilding. If it weren't, then they woudl'nt be looking to move Cam Johnson right now.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:15 pm to TeddyPadillac
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What good is it to have BI on a team with Ace Bailey and crap?
They have 45mil in salary not including Cam Thomas new deal.
And they can use cap space first and sign Cam Thomas last.
So even if they sign BI to 45mil next year to start you have Claxton/ Cam J/ BI at 90mil
Top 6 pick
Cam Thomas
BI
Cam Johnson
Claxton
They could theoretically have this core, sign another max/ big name player, and then sign Cam Thomas to dip into the tax. You'd be right around 100mil with CJ/ BI/ Claxton/ draft pick.
If the salary cap is 155 next year then they can do alot while having Cam Thomas restricted.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:41 pm to Dantheman504
Nobody is paying Ingram $45 million.
Dude will be lucky to get half that imo.
Dude will be lucky to get half that imo.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:46 pm to ghost2most
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Nobody is paying Ingram $45 million.
Dude will be lucky to get half that imo.
Do you honestly believe this or are you just being ridiculous to prove your point that you hate BI?
Posted on 1/24/25 at 3:52 pm to TeddyPadillac
I really don’t think he will get that on his next contract either.
If he gets traded somewhere this year, it will be as a rental to a good team.
I don’t expect him to have a market next season, and he will likely have to sign for the MLE or possibly a 1 and 1 deal with a player option if that team has enough space to fit him.
If he gets traded somewhere this year, it will be as a rental to a good team.
I don’t expect him to have a market next season, and he will likely have to sign for the MLE or possibly a 1 and 1 deal with a player option if that team has enough space to fit him.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 4:07 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Do you honestly believe this or are you just being ridiculous to prove your point that you hate BI?
Honestly believe it. Other than age, why would he make more than Demar Derozan, who actually plays?
Posted on 1/24/25 at 4:13 pm to TechTiger
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I don’t expect him to have a market next season, and he will likely have to sign for the MLE or possibly a 1 and 1 deal with a player option if that team has enough space to fit him.
Look, no one is expecting someone to offer a max deal, but to think he'll get $25M, or the MLE is just a clueless and silly bias thing to say.
i'll gladly come back here and say i'm a dumbass for a month straight if he signs for under $35M/yr
Posted on 1/24/25 at 4:30 pm to TeddyPadillac
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to think he'll get $25M, or the MLE is just a clueless and silly bias thing to say.
If it were any other year I would agree.
But we are the only team that could pay him that much. And I don’t see us looking to facilitate a sign & trade where we have to take back that extra salary. We likely wouldn’t be getting back any decent players, and we wouldn’t have room under the tax to take them back anyway.
It’s more likely we just let him walk in the offseason rather than facilitate a sign & trade.
So unless someone is expecting to sign him to a near max deal they aren’t going to give up much beyond an end of the season rental for a contender.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 5:32 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Do you honestly believe this or are you just being ridiculous to prove your point that you hate BI?
He has been going full retard on Ingram for over a year now. He's said on more than one occasion that Ingram "sucks." There are no rational conversations to be had.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 6:56 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
Just like you and Zion right?
Ingram doesn’t suck but he’s an empty stats guy that’s not a modern nba player unless he’s taking 3s.
When he does he’s pretty good but he does so inconsistently and he’s hurt as much as Zion who is far better when healthy
Ingram doesn’t suck but he’s an empty stats guy that’s not a modern nba player unless he’s taking 3s.
When he does he’s pretty good but he does so inconsistently and he’s hurt as much as Zion who is far better when healthy
Posted on 1/24/25 at 9:22 pm to TeddyPadillac
Not a chance he takes less than 35mil. I highly doubt its less than a 40mil average.
BI currently has the 66th highest average salary per player contract at $31,650,600.
At a 40mil avg he would be right in front of:
Zion
Brunson
Desmond Bane
And he would be right behind:
OG Anunoby
Tyrese Maxey
LaMelo Ball
Players that are under a 40mil avg and would still be higher after extension include:
Anthony Davis
Ja Morant
SGA
De'Aaron Fox
Dononvan Mitchell
Jason Tatum
Mikail Bridges
So even at 40mil BI would be the 48th highest average player tied with Kyrie Irving. Not including future salaries from any current rookie contracts/ players.
If BI is a top 50 player then expect BI to get around 40mil. I personally think its going to end up 37/40/43/47 with player option. Or 50mil 5th year no option.
BI currently has the 66th highest average salary per player contract at $31,650,600.
At a 40mil avg he would be right in front of:
Zion
Brunson
Desmond Bane
And he would be right behind:
OG Anunoby
Tyrese Maxey
LaMelo Ball
Players that are under a 40mil avg and would still be higher after extension include:
Anthony Davis
Ja Morant
SGA
De'Aaron Fox
Dononvan Mitchell
Jason Tatum
Mikail Bridges
So even at 40mil BI would be the 48th highest average player tied with Kyrie Irving. Not including future salaries from any current rookie contracts/ players.
If BI is a top 50 player then expect BI to get around 40mil. I personally think its going to end up 37/40/43/47 with player option. Or 50mil 5th year no option.
This post was edited on 1/24/25 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 1/24/25 at 10:41 pm to ghost2most
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Just like you and Zion right?
Go find a single post where I said Zion sucked or was below average. Hell, find a post where I said Zion was an average player.
Or you can save your time and admit that you made that shite up.
I think Zion is a very talented player who should be one of the 10 best players in the league based purely on his physical gifts. Unfortunately, he is too unprofessional to take advantage of it, so he's become a shallow promise
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