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re: Well, West just got stronger

Posted on 12/15/18 at 2:48 pm to
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 12/15/18 at 2:48 pm to
The trick is figuring out how to do Solo/Baze without giving up the 1st. If you keep the 1st then Baze 1st could become something worthwhile this summer.
Posted by Aussie_Pelican
Melbourne
Member since Oct 2016
1197 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 2:50 pm to
I just think he is undersized.
I know he has a huge wingspan but for that money I'd rather a real wing.
Bazemore won't be defending Durant or Lebron. I know no player can, but I dont want to see Bazemore go through the same thing Jrue did.
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
5093 posts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 2:51 pm to
Every guy who is possible to acquire is unlikely to really help turn it around. The odds for all acquisitions are below 50 percent. Most much lower than that.

The Pels have very few assets and there are very few sellers

When you are operating from a position of weakenesses, it is always a long shot
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
11909 posts
Posted on 12/16/18 at 9:11 am to
quote:

Warren is Randle, but he's having a hot stretch from 3

He doesn't pass and attacks relentlessly on offense. Below average defender of both forward positions.

He is good but does things we already do well and doesn't do things we actually need


So, in your opinion, who is the perfect target given the assets we have to acquire another player?
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
5093 posts
Posted on 12/16/18 at 9:21 am to
Perfect? Nobody.

There are higher floor targets and higher ceiling targets (with more risk)

All realistic options have more of a chance to lead to failure (AD not extending) than success

I would go for Wall because of the ceiling. Highest floor trade would be some kind of three way deal that lands you Justin Holiday, Rodney Hood, and Alec Burks or JR for Hill, Wes, and the pick. But Dell wants to swing for more than that
This post was edited on 12/16/18 at 9:41 am
Posted by LesGeaux45
Member since Nov 2009
9232 posts
Posted on 12/16/18 at 10:24 am to
The Wall option is fascinating for sure. I wonder how much serious thought they'll give it.
Posted by Mad Scientist26
Member since Jul 2018
1945 posts
Posted on 12/16/18 at 10:25 am to
I mean if I were Dell why wouldn’t you swing big?!? It’s not like your going to have a job if AD leaves/not competitive in the playoffs (they are both relative). I saw go big at the deadline if possible and see if you can make noise at the end of the season. I wouldn’t settle for a role player just yet if don’t have to. I’d be patient until something develops. It’s not like we have a whole lot of tradable players.
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
5093 posts
Posted on 12/16/18 at 11:05 am to
The home run route is fine to me as long as you don't have to give up too many actual players to do it. That's why I like the Wall idea a bit.

But my second d choice would be to go for quantity. Imagine if this team could legit go 11 or 12 deep. Imagine the Clippers, but with a superstar.

I'd like that option over getting one guy like an Otto Porter or Bazemore. Get three rotation guys who allow you to never have a bad player on the court, even if you have one or two injuries. That path is pretty tempting to me
Posted by LouisianaJoseph
Denver
Member since Apr 2018
1392 posts
Posted on 12/16/18 at 11:23 am to
I'm down for that but how?
Posted by Mad Scientist26
Member since Jul 2018
1945 posts
Posted on 12/16/18 at 11:53 am to
I really don’t know how the Pels can get a group of solid players with the pieces they currently have. I don’t have any connections and I’m only going by what I hear from media outlets (not sure how accurate they are). I think it’s two realistic options.

With AD, you can do a big trade and hope it works out and it makes AD stay.

Or you play it safe at the deadline for a mid level deal and deal AD for a good of really good players and draft picks (please not the Lakers because they’re young players are mostly overrated). I’m thinking deal AD out of the West to Boston for Rozier, Tatum, Morris, and a pick. Now your running with a really deep young defensive team. Rozier, Holiday, Tatum, Morris, and Randle (resigned) with Moore, Frank, Miller, and a shot blocking big off the bench could be an playoff team.
This post was edited on 12/16/18 at 11:54 am
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
5093 posts
Posted on 12/16/18 at 12:19 pm to
No, you do something like...

Solo, Wesley and first go to Cavs. You get JR and Hood. Cavs send their 2nd and filler to Indy, who sends Cory Joseph or Collison here. Pels add in min contracts if it's Collison.

Basically, imagine just losing Hill from rotation and adding JR, Hood, and Joseph. Or maybe it's Justin Holiday or Burks or D. Carroll, whatever.

No earth moving guys but you get three solid guys. Now you have our 6 good players plus the 3 you added and Miller. Solid 10. Frank and Diallo are wild cards at 11 and 12. Ian Clark, your 13th man.

That's solid depth that allows you to win games while not running AD and Jrue into the ground
Posted by Mad Scientist26
Member since Jul 2018
1945 posts
Posted on 12/16/18 at 1:21 pm to
I like that plan a lot. That builds depth and shooting. It also saves us from dealing Niko.

Ideally, I would like to keep Niko as insurance for a potential AD trade. I think Niko and Randle would be a really good front court if AD is dealt this offseason.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
38814 posts
Posted on 12/16/18 at 1:24 pm to
pels are five deep right now, six at best.
three new actual NBA players would be enough to get solidly in the upper six
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61511 posts
Posted on 12/16/18 at 2:58 pm to
quote:

I think Niko and Randle would be a really good front court if AD is dealt this offseason.




I'm willing to concede there's a lot of Niko/Randle and scrubs (ie not much Jrue and Moore) in here, but in 277 minutes together Niko/Randle have a -2.9 NetRtg. Those don't seem like cornerstone numbers.
This post was edited on 12/16/18 at 3:02 pm
Posted by LesGeaux45
Member since Nov 2009
9232 posts
Posted on 12/16/18 at 3:28 pm to
The Jrue/Niko/Randle/Moore lineup has 106 minutes with a net rtg of +4.1 (106.1 O / 102 D). Not world beating but definitely better.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
11909 posts
Posted on 12/16/18 at 3:28 pm to
quote:

No, you do something like...

Solo, Wesley and first go to Cavs. You get JR and Hood. Cavs send their 2nd and filler to Indy, who sends Cory Joseph or Collison here. Pels add in min contracts if it's Collison.

Basically, imagine just losing Hill from rotation and adding JR, Hood, and Joseph. Or maybe it's Justin Holiday or Burks or D. Carroll, whatever.

No earth moving guys but you get three solid guys. Now you have our 6 good players plus the 3 you added and Miller. Solid 10. Frank and Diallo are wild cards at 11 and 12. Ian Clark, your 13th man.

That's solid depth that allows you to win games while not running AD and Jrue into the ground

I like that better than the Wall route. The only positive to the Wall route to me is that it may be more impressive to AD such that he sees a potential contender.
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
5093 posts
Posted on 12/16/18 at 3:57 pm to
All paths have ways they could work and ways they could fail. I don't think there is any no brainier path or trade out there. All depends on your risk tolerance and then it will depend on luck after the trade is made.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
14307 posts
Posted on 12/16/18 at 5:25 pm to
Another positive I can think of going the Wall route would be to potential free agents. They may see a big 4 of AD, Wall, Jrue and Randle as legit contenders, and could be a deciding factor between us and other teams for minimum contract players.
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