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re: We are very good!!
Posted on 12/22/11 at 8:40 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 12/22/11 at 8:40 am to TigerinATL
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If the trade is with a non tax team the new rules would let us take as little as $8 million in salary back for Kaman and $6 for Landry.
well i'm assuming if we dump them for a player(s), the player(s) we get will have big salary (reason they're being dumped)
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Posted on 12/22/11 at 8:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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too big of an injury risk to spend more
What's his injury history? Is he just a fragile player in general or is there a specific injury issue?
Posted on 12/22/11 at 8:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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well i'm assuming if we dump them for a player(s), the player(s) we get will have big salary (reason they're being dumped)
Dalembert to Houston didn't help the Hornets any, but Sacramento and Toronto are probably still in the market for a center. With Toronto you might have to take back Calderon but Sacramento is still under the cap. I could also see Boston having interest and they could give you back garbage expirings, picks and rookies. Kaman for Oneal, Wilcox, Avery Bradley a rookie and a pick would work.
Posted on 12/22/11 at 8:53 am to TigerinATL
He's fragile in general from what I can tell, as at least one injury was an ankle sprain and another was a hamstring injury that hampered him for a season. Run-of-the-mill stuff for a player of his height.
Posted on 12/22/11 at 8:54 am to TigerinATL
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a pick
FWIW, the Celtics hold the Clippers' pick this year in addition to their own.
Posted on 12/22/11 at 9:35 am to TigerinATL
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What's his injury history? Is he just a fragile player in general or is there a specific injury issue?
in general. games played in his career:
82
63
78
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56
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Posted on 12/22/11 at 9:39 am to TigerinATL
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I do too, it's pretty versatile and balanced and the holes can be plugged next season in the draft and with the MLE. But to keep this team together next year would mean being a tax team. Is the new owner willing to go there yet?
I definitely agree, I guess we will just have to wait and see what the new owner wants to do, or maybe we will know by the trade deadline.
Posted on 12/22/11 at 10:12 am to dj30
Next year we will have the situation of who to let or keep... But right now if we don't do any trades this team is to complete, balanced, and I know it's to early to say this but seems like we are trying so much harder.
With CP3 gone everyone looking to be the next star player
With CP3 gone everyone looking to be the next star player
Posted on 12/22/11 at 11:05 am to Smedium27
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This team is very Athletic, Defensive
This is the key. Defense alone might just keep this team in every game it plays. Of course this goes against the wisdom of the HornetTARDs, you know, winning and all, but I think it will be a fun, shortened season for this Hornets team. I for one am pulling for a playoff run.
Posted on 12/22/11 at 11:13 am to ScoopAndScore
If you are a Hornets fan and want to win a championship the last thing you should want is to make the playoffs and lose in the first round.
If anything you want them to be terrible. If we make the playoffs and don't get lottery picks we could end up like the bobcats.
If we tank it and get lottery picks we could very well be the next Thunder.
Two lottery picks plus a badass 2.. could bode well for the hornets.
If anything you want them to be terrible. If we make the playoffs and don't get lottery picks we could end up like the bobcats.
If we tank it and get lottery picks we could very well be the next Thunder.
Two lottery picks plus a badass 2.. could bode well for the hornets.
Posted on 12/22/11 at 11:33 am to ECOTIGER
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If you are a Hornets fan and want to win a championship the last thing you should want is to make the playoffs and lose in the first round.
If anything you want them to be terrible. If we make the playoffs and don't get lottery picks we could end up like the bobcats.
If we tank it and get lottery picks we could very well be the next Thunder.
Two lottery picks plus a badass 2.. could bode well for the hornets.
Exactly.
our motto this season should be:
ALL or NOTHING.
This post was edited on 12/22/11 at 11:34 am
Posted on 12/22/11 at 11:35 am to ECOTIGER
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Two lottery picks plus a badass 2.. could bode well for the hornets.
Key word is "could".
What if this team is 6th best in the West right now, as is? I know it's a huge hypothetical, but what if?
You're already adding Minny's lottery pick next year, which is way more than what a playoff team usually gets to add.
I hope this team truly is good right now. Why would I hope my team is one of the worst in the league? If they truly are THAT bad, 2 lotto picks in the same draft most likely won't do the trick. JMO.
Posted on 12/22/11 at 11:41 am to ScoopAndScore
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What if this team is 6th best in the West right now, as is?
then that sucks, b/c 6th for a rebuilding team fricks us
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Why would I hope my team is one of the worst in the league?
man i got into this bullshite with hornets fans the year after we lost game 7 to the suns
you build your team to win titles...or at least you want to
i caught a lot of shite telling people we had to wait and blow up the team in a couple years (peja/mopete expiring deals) to have that shot. they thought we could add a piece and win it all. they loved the posey signing, i hated it.
why do you want to get stuck in the 6th spot in the west?
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If they truly are THAT bad, 2 lotto picks in the same draft most likely won't do the trick. JMO.
depends on the picks. you don't think drafting kevin durant would be a major boost to this team?
Posted on 12/22/11 at 11:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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depends on the picks. you don't think drafting kevin durant would be a major boost to this team?
Freakin luck of the draw and you know that. So yea, in that sense, having 2 picks gives you a better chance at being more lucky. But c'mon, those guys aren't in the draft every year. More top 10 picks in the NBA are misses than studs.
Posted on 12/22/11 at 11:52 am to SlowFlowPro
Watching this team in person play last night I can honestly say that we look 100% better than we did last year at this same time with Chris Paul & West in the lineup. The team last night played as a team and more importantly they have a HUGE HUGE HUGE chip on their shoulder. They don't like being called out nationally as a bunch of no talent nobodies who will be lucky to win 5 games this season.
I think this team has the ability to be one of the Top 4 Defensive teams this year on the court and we are going to see some break-out performances by players we have never really heard of. Any thoughts of a high lottery pick this year are futile unless the Organization makes some bad decisions.
The other part of this team that I really like besides Jason Smith's stepped up role as the team's emotional captain is our depth across the board. This isn't a team where if one player struggles we are in trouble this is a team where if a player struggles we have someone else who will step in too offset that players struggles.
Finally we have assembled a TEAM and not a STAR with a supporting cast.
I think this team has the ability to be one of the Top 4 Defensive teams this year on the court and we are going to see some break-out performances by players we have never really heard of. Any thoughts of a high lottery pick this year are futile unless the Organization makes some bad decisions.
The other part of this team that I really like besides Jason Smith's stepped up role as the team's emotional captain is our depth across the board. This isn't a team where if one player struggles we are in trouble this is a team where if a player struggles we have someone else who will step in too offset that players struggles.
Finally we have assembled a TEAM and not a STAR with a supporting cast.
Posted on 12/22/11 at 11:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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we had to wait and blow up the team in a couple years (peja/mopete expiring deals) to have that shot
This has been done. The team has been blown up, and if what we have now is a top 5 or 6 team in the West we should be ecstatic. Hornets got younger and cheaper and are probably equally as good. Plus you have the Minny pick. I don't see why you tank now for an additional pick, if in fact this team is really good right now as is.
Let's see, we have a young, budding star in EG to build around. We have a very solid big man in Kamen. We have young, athletic wings in Aminu and QPon (could probably move one if desired). We have possibly the best defensive 3 in the league with Ariza. Oak is a very serviceable Center, even moreso if coming off the bench. Jack is a very serviceable PG, but would prefer to be better here of course. Good enough bench players in J Smith and Beli.
I'm thinking get lucky with Minny's pick and maybe make a move to better the PG spot, and this team could be legit. And I also think winning now would help in the long run. It would intice a young star like EG to stay put. It might intice other FAs. And winning is a culture, attitude thing. Monty is new and young, with a defensive mindset. If these guys buy into it and it works, that only helps next year and the year after.
ETA: Forgot to include Carl Landry in my breakdown, who is a very solid, yet underrated NBA PF.
This post was edited on 12/22/11 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 12/22/11 at 12:09 pm to ScoopAndScore
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What if this team is 6th best in the West right now, as is? I know it's a huge hypothetical, but what if?
You're already adding Minny's lottery pick next year, which is way more than what a playoff team usually gets to add.
I hope this team truly is good right now. Why would I hope my team is one of the worst in the league? If they truly are THAT bad, 2 lotto picks in the same draft most likely won't do the trick. JMO.
I feel the exact same way.
Posted on 12/22/11 at 12:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
As well as these past 2 games have been. We are young which means come 4th quarter we will most likely be dead.
Team motto:
Keep it competitive, but ultimately let's focus on next year.
Team motto:
Keep it competitive, but ultimately let's focus on next year.
Posted on 12/22/11 at 12:10 pm to dj30
And we should all be thanking God for David Stern.
Posted on 12/22/11 at 12:13 pm to Hullabaloo
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We are young which means come 4th quarter we will most likely be dead.
This team certainly has some youth but also a nice mix of veterans that aren't necessarily old.
Jack, Ariza, Landry, Kamen, Oak, Smith, Beli have all been around the block. And our star EG is in his 3rd year, right?
I don't see this team's "youth" as an issue.
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