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re: Watching college prospects thread

Posted on 3/21/16 at 11:24 am to
Posted by 504ByrdGang
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Posted on 3/21/16 at 11:24 am to
I don't see him falling pass Denver or the Bucks. At least you can see how crazy that situation on how they hate something and yet they are scream for it now.
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Posted by 504ByrdGang
Member since Nov 2013
2495 posts
Posted on 3/21/16 at 11:30 am to
Meeks his senior year put up 24 ppg on 50/40/90 with 8 3 point attempts per game.

That's exactly Meeks! Heild is more athletic and more consistent and better shooter but that's Meeks thought. That's who I think he will be a better version of Jodie Meeks. A good score only guard that will give you 16-18ppg in his prime.
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Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 3/21/16 at 11:32 am to
Tons on here were against trading pick after pick for young vets...biggest difference now is that you can't be as patient to see a guy develop or bust.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29805 posts
Posted on 3/21/16 at 11:32 am to
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This is Meek draft review



You forgot the comparison. Let me help you out.

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NBA Comparison: Tony Delk/Juan Carlos Navarro


I like reading weaknesses more than strengths. here's Meeks:
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Weaknesses: Standing at 6'4'' Meeks lacks size and length for the SG position in the NBA ... Rhythm shooter-if he gets out of rhythm or disrupted he will struggle to make shots ... Has to improve his shot selection; he can force some shots and be inconsistent ... Meeks has to become more aggressive and attack the basket more ... His ball-handling ability is limited and he commits too many turnovers; gets in trouble by dribbling into the traffic (3.0 to and .59 a/t ratio). Defensively his lateral quickness has to improve and become much better help defender in order to compete at the next level ... Converting points around the rim under pressure can be an issue for him ...


All Meeks was, was a shooter. That's it. Redick was a better overall scorer than Meeks. He did nothign to work on his scoring outside of 3's. Redick and Heild worked their arse off to become more than just a 3 point shooter.

Also, here's Hields comparison:
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NBA Comparison: CJ McCollum/James Harden

Notice it's not Tony Delk

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Weaknesses: Buddy’s main knock will be his height for an NBA shooting guard, and although he’s improved his handle significantly in order to become more of a combo guard, he’s still not more of an undersized 2 ... Buddy handles the ball a lot, and carries a great offensive burden for the Sooners, as a result he can be turnover prone at times (10 TO’s vs Oklahoma State) ... Buddy has clearly worked to improve his game off the dribble, and now takes less than 50% of his shots from deep, in favor of driving to the hoop to keep defenders guessing ... In reality, this is a player who has clearly worked very hard at not just what he does well, but his flaws, and as a result, he’s become a very complete player, that’s hard to nitpick outside of some physical differences between the size of NCAA players and those in the NBA ..


Still the only knock on him is size, which i think is dumb considering his wingspan. If James Harden isn't undersized, than neither is Hield.

Simmons
Ingram
Hield
Dunn
in that order. imo.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 3/21/16 at 11:36 am to
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Meeks his senior year put up 24 ppg on 50/40/90 with 8 3 point attempts per game.



check your facts.

46/40/90 is not 50/46/90
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
73960 posts
Posted on 3/21/16 at 11:58 am to
To get off the Heild talk


What are thoughts on Domantas Sabonis? Would be interesting next to AD

pwned Poetl in the head to head showing, too
Posted by 504ByrdGang
Member since Nov 2013
2495 posts
Posted on 3/21/16 at 11:58 am to
Meeks is barely a rotational player. Meeks weaknesses are why I said Heild is a better version of him. Heild has better length, he's more consistent, a slightly better defender, and better at finishing at the rim. His game is just like Meeks and compare him to harden is a complete joke. He's absolutely is nothing like Harden. He doesn't have his build, handles, passing, explosiveness, or his ability to create contact. Harden is one of the best Iso players in the nba that's not even a strong part of Heilds game. Heild is best off ball while Harden is on ball.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 3/21/16 at 12:58 pm to
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His game is just like Meeks




just like him!





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Heild is a better version of him


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Heild has better length


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he's more consistent,


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a slightly better defender


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better at finishing at the rim.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 3/21/16 at 12:58 pm to
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What are thoughts on Domantas Sabonis? Would be interesting next to AD

pwned Poetl in the head to head showing, too



tell me more about him. can he pass like dad? can he shoot? do we have an official measurement ?
Posted by sma19
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2011
335 posts
Posted on 3/21/16 at 1:02 pm to
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To get off the Heild talk What are thoughts on Domantas Sabonis? Would be interesting next to AD pwned Poetl in the head to head showing, too


I liked him in that game, but he's a trade back kind of guy imo, maybe we win #3 and trade our two seconds and trade back with the nuggets for 7,16,18 then try and grab him with one of those teen picks. That's my ideal scenario at least.

What do y'all think of Prince from Baylor as a possible later first, trade up and grab guy? Great size and has a good stroke.

If we're picking around 6 and Hield is there it's hard to pass up IMO. I've said it before on here, I'm a big fan of his personality for this team. Leader and trash talker with a relentless gym rat mentality. Sounds like a player every team could use.

I'm with ATL on the Luwawu front, if we're picking after 7-8 and Murray, Hield and Dunn are off the board he's my pick. His defense is NBA ready and the other stuff we can afford a couple years to develop. If this was year 3 of AD's extension I would say don't take the project but we still have time to make a couple mistakes and he's a high ceiling type of mistake that's ok to take.

And imo, if all those guys are gone when we pick, go with Denzel Valentine, IMO he will have a 10+ year NBA career as the new Ginobli or OKC harden as a teams lead ball handler off the bench and closing 2 guard.
Posted by Jon1798
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
730 posts
Posted on 3/21/16 at 1:03 pm to
This is a weird comparison I realize, but Sabonis reminds me a ton of Zach Randolph. Its not always pretty but he just brutes his way forward and has a real touch around the goal. It's pretty in its ugliness.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29805 posts
Posted on 3/21/16 at 1:03 pm to
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He doesn't have his build,


They are literally the same size

no one would ever describe Harden as explosive.
His comparison was manu ginobili, and that was right on.

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Heild is best off ball while Harden is on ball.


I agree completely. I was just pointing out that Meeks was being compared to a NBA bench player, which turned out to be pretty spot on, while Hield is being compared to all-stars.

I really don't know who to compare Hield to. He's more athletic than Redick, not as athletic as Ray Allen (at least not young Ray), has a quick shot like Reggie Miller and about equal athleticism, but lacks his size.

Maybe a healthy Allan Houston is a good comparison.
Posted by TigerBehindEnemyLines
AggieLand
Member since Sep 2015
628 posts
Posted on 3/21/16 at 1:20 pm to
Would love to see us get Sabonis in the second
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 3/21/16 at 1:42 pm to
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What do y'all think of Prince from Baylor


What's not to like about a role playing 3 and D SF? As thin as the position is, even if he's never more than a QPon level SF it'd be worth a late 1st. If we can't do a trade back scenario like you mention, I'd look into trading some 2nds for a late 1st. If the Clippers don't blow it up I'd try to trade one of our 2nds this year and the Philly 2nd next year for their 1st which is currently 25.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 3/21/16 at 1:45 pm to
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Would love to see us get Sabonis in the second


Draft Express has him at 18
NBADraft.net has him at 12
Tankathon has him at 21

It doesn't seem likely that he'll be around in the 2nd.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
73960 posts
Posted on 3/21/16 at 1:51 pm to
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tell me more about him. can he pass like dad? can he shoot? do we have an official measurement ?


Would be more of a candidate in that 10 range

He's more physical then his dad imo, Zach Randolph is a decent comp. He is 6'10" with a 6'11" wing span. Not ideal for the position, but again, neither is a guy like Heild. Guess he falls into the "he can just play"

he does have a nice touch and an all around decent game. he would be more of a 4 in a lineup with AD imo
Posted by 504ByrdGang
Member since Nov 2013
2495 posts
Posted on 3/21/16 at 2:01 pm to
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Maybe a healthy Allan Houston is a good comparison


Kerry Kittles?
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29805 posts
Posted on 3/21/16 at 2:12 pm to
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Kerry Kittles?



not bad, but Kittles was skinny as hell. Buddy has 30+ lbs on him.
I would say the shooting and off the ball movement is more Kittles than Houston, but Hield has more of Houston's body and ability to get in the paint.

I remember Kittles at Nova and as a 12 year old, i remember wearing 1 tube sock to my knee and an ankle sock on the other leg playing biddy basketball.
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
10117 posts
Posted on 3/21/16 at 2:14 pm to
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What are thoughts on Domantas Sabonis? Would be interesting next to AD


Did well against Poetl has me questioning Poetel. Sabonis seems to have the athleticism of his dad. Not sure I could get a piece of paper under his feet during his shot. Unatheltic big men with poor length who rely on post scoring and defending just don't do it for me.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29805 posts
Posted on 3/21/16 at 2:23 pm to
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Not sure I could get a piece of paper under his feet during his shot.


same goes for ZBo.

What i don't like about Sabonis is he's got no wingspan. David West plays a good bit bigger than him.
He's a 4 in the NBA not a 5.

That being said i did like him, but i'd rather Poetl.

Just b/c Sabonis and Gonzaga shut down Poetl doestn' mean he's a better prospect.

Reddick looked nothing like himself in his last collegiate game where Garret Temple and LSU completely shut him down. That game made people question how good he could be in the NBA b/c he was playing against nba defenders and did nothing. Reddick has worked out just fine.
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