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re: Trouble in Crescent City?
Posted on 5/16/18 at 8:45 am to DeionDeion
Posted on 5/16/18 at 8:45 am to DeionDeion
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I don't think Dallas has a chance in hell to sign Boogie
They don't have to sign with Dallas, just flirt with Dallas enough to make the Pels nervous.
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all in all, we really have a lot of leverage this offseason with Boogie
I agree, but I think it was Thrillhouse earlier in this thread or another thread that said he hopes Boogie doesn't sign somewhere else out of spite. That seems like something Boogie would do so the Pels need to make a fair offer and not a ball breaking you have no leverage offer.
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Posted on 5/16/18 at 8:57 am to TigerinATL
I agree that the whole concept of unfollowing is trivial, but Boogie is known to be emotional and reactive. Unless he's just reading the headlines, something had to have taken place already to unsettle him.
ETA: the headline of this TBW article doesn't help
Demarcus Cousins unfollows Pelicans on Instagram, perhaps signaling the end of his time in New Orleans
ETA: the headline of this TBW article doesn't help
Demarcus Cousins unfollows Pelicans on Instagram, perhaps signaling the end of his time in New Orleans
This post was edited on 5/16/18 at 9:00 am
Posted on 5/16/18 at 9:08 am to Cheesy Beaver
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Demarcus Cousins unfollows Pelicans on Instagram, perhaps signaling the end of his time in New Orleans
That's such an awful attempt at click bait.
A lot of what TBW produces seems like the average message board take, just extended to 500 words.
This post was edited on 5/16/18 at 9:09 am
Posted on 5/16/18 at 9:09 am to TigerinATL
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I think Demps has been a lot better ever since Ferry was officially brought in. That being said we don't even know if this is actually a response to anything the Pels have done or not done. We're talking about Twitter Follows as evidence here people. Like Fun Bunch said, this is pretty standard procedure so all we can really say about it is Cousin's agent is ready to begin.
But, if the Pels are telling Boogie that they are offering the max at 5 years, then I don't think all of this posturing is even necessary.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 9:28 am to Epic Cajun
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But, if the Pels are telling Boogie that they are offering the max at 5 years, then I don't think all of this posturing is even necessary
great point.
it's easy to assume that at the very least, there's been a notion sent to Boogie that says the Pels are planning something other than max year and max money (which is a smart move on the organization's part). bc there's no reason for any of this if there's been a firm max money, max deal inclination sent Boogie's way. That's really the only certainty you can take from this.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 9:33 am to Cheesy Beaver
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Then again, it must be noted that Boogie is still following the Pelicans franchise on Twitter.
From the previously mentioned TBW article, FWIW
Also, if another team really wants to sign a player coming off an achilles injury to a max contract, let them. The Pels don't have time for that foolishness.
This post was edited on 5/16/18 at 9:38 am
Posted on 5/16/18 at 10:27 am to pawel
I'll sign and trade him to as for Barnes if he's that disgruntled.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 10:48 am to htran90
I'm not a big fan of Barnes. I'd gladly take him, but i can't see Dallas letting him go. They are looking to improve now. Cuban doesn't like being in the lottery.
I'd say somethign like Mathews/Powell and their 2019 first for Cousins is what they would offer.
That type of move would also allow Dallas to still have cap space to go get some other big name with cap space, instead of using the cap space on Cousins. They'd have Smith/Barnes/Cousins and whoever else they could lure over this offseason.
We do that, then turn Solo into Carroll/Dinwiddie with our 2019 first, keeping the Dallas 2019 first.
Team would like nice next year.
Rondo/Dinwiddie
Jrue/Mathews/Moore/Jackson
Carroll/Miller
Mirotic/Diallo
AD/Powell
That would mean we would have $60M in salaries after next offseason with just jrue, AD and Moore. Enough to find a get a big name to come over and resign Mirotic.
I'd say somethign like Mathews/Powell and their 2019 first for Cousins is what they would offer.
That type of move would also allow Dallas to still have cap space to go get some other big name with cap space, instead of using the cap space on Cousins. They'd have Smith/Barnes/Cousins and whoever else they could lure over this offseason.
We do that, then turn Solo into Carroll/Dinwiddie with our 2019 first, keeping the Dallas 2019 first.
Team would like nice next year.
Rondo/Dinwiddie
Jrue/Mathews/Moore/Jackson
Carroll/Miller
Mirotic/Diallo
AD/Powell
That would mean we would have $60M in salaries after next offseason with just jrue, AD and Moore. Enough to find a get a big name to come over and resign Mirotic.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 10:50 am to htran90
Following is trivial, but unfollowing is not usually trivial. Many ex's don't even bother to unfollow each other, so it takes *something* to motivate the action.
I agree with the sentiment that it's likely he was told he won't receive an immediate max year/money contract. There's much to peace of mind, so after the season ended Boogie probably asked where he stands and Dell he didn't get the answer he wanted.
May have even encouraged going on the market to see what he can get with a Pels promise to consider matching any offer. If he gets a max offer some where else, maybe Dell stretches, but as another poster said, at least Dell isn't negotiating against himself.
I feel for Boogie though. Years regarded as a top NBA 15 player and an injury in last few months before FA means. I hate losing tens of dollars and this guy is losing tens of millions of dollars.
I agree with the sentiment that it's likely he was told he won't receive an immediate max year/money contract. There's much to peace of mind, so after the season ended Boogie probably asked where he stands and Dell he didn't get the answer he wanted.
May have even encouraged going on the market to see what he can get with a Pels promise to consider matching any offer. If he gets a max offer some where else, maybe Dell stretches, but as another poster said, at least Dell isn't negotiating against himself.
I feel for Boogie though. Years regarded as a top NBA 15 player and an injury in last few months before FA means. I hate losing tens of dollars and this guy is losing tens of millions of dollars.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 10:51 am to CocoLoco
game over
pelicans leaving nola inevitable
sky is falling
rabble rabble
pelicans leaving nola inevitable
sky is falling
rabble rabble
Posted on 5/16/18 at 11:10 am to Machine
Send him to OKC for Playoff P
Posted on 5/16/18 at 11:47 am to DeionDeion
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it's easy to assume that at the very least, there's been a notion sent to Boogie that says the Pels are planning something other than max year and max money (which is a smart move on the organization's part). bc there's no reason for any of this if there's been a firm max money, max deal inclination sent Boogie's way. That's really the only certainty you can take from this.
I do not think there has been any official communication either way. I do think that Boogie's group has seen all of the articles written about him and assumed (probably correctly) that at least some were generated based on team leaks. They have legitimate reason for concern when you combine that with Dell's careful words at his end of season presser and AD's dodging a reporter's question about going to management for Boogie.
What should make the Pels a bit nervous is that Boogie nd his management/agents are children. They tanked his trade value in Sacramento to try to force a supermax. I think they will respond to the best $$$, but I also think they would not be very accomodating in terms of a S&T unless it is absolutely necessary.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 12:00 pm to NOFOX
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What should make the Pels a bit nervous is that Boogie nd his management/agents are children. They tanked his trade value in Sacramento to try to force a supermax. I think they will respond to the best $$$, but I also think they would not be very accomodating in terms of a S&T unless it is absolutely necessary.
Exactly. They are an operation that operates on emotion
Posted on 5/16/18 at 12:04 pm to NOFOX
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I also think they would not be very accomodating in terms of a S&T unless it is absolutely necessary
Assuming he went to a team (non-Pels) that could sign him using cap space, why would he help us with a S&T? Doesn't make much sense to ask the team that you're signing with to give assets to the team that you just left. Now, if a team that couldn't sign him with cap space wanted to acquire him, then they would have to do so via sign and trade, but it wouldn't because it was the suggestion of Boogie to help the Pels.
Boogie isn't restricted, so the chances of a sign ad trade are none to very unlikely.
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his management/agents are children. They tanked his trade value in Sacramento to try to force a supermax.
Not disputing this, but what did his management and agent do that tanked his trade value? From what I saw, I assume their owner thought they got a decent deal as he loved Buddy.
This post was edited on 5/16/18 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 5/16/18 at 12:15 pm to mm2316
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Assuming he went to a team (non-Pels) that could sign him using cap space, why would he help us with a S&T? Doesn't make much sense to ask the team that you're signing with to give assets to the team that you just left. Now, if a team that couldn't sign him with cap space wanted to acquire him, then they would have to do so via sign and trade, but it wouldn't because it was the suggestion of Boogie to help the Pels.
Boogie isn't restricted, so the chances of a sign ad trade are none to very unlikely.
I think he would first ask a team with not quite enough space to stretch a player or dump salary to create space instead of exploring a S&T because he is petty.
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Not disputing this, but what did his management and agent do that tanked his trade value? From what I saw, I assume their owner thought they got a decent deal as he loved Buddy.
Dell supposedly had two 1sts on the table initially while Vlade was waiting for approval from Vivek, but Boogie's agent/management found out and went around telling everyone he would not re-sign with the team that trades for him. Dell then pulled the other 1st. Vlade at his press conference admitted to having a better deal earlier.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 12:16 pm to NOFOX
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I do not think there has been any official communication either way.
I agree. I think that notion has been a hunch, Boogie's camp reading article, trying to parse out the meaning behind every comment from the FO.
at the end of the day though, as long as AD is happy, I'm satisfied. as much as I hate letting a superstar player dictate what the FO does, you need to consult AD and Jrue for that matter and at least let them feel apart of these big decisions
Posted on 5/16/18 at 12:22 pm to DeionDeion
Taking a page out of Julios book
This post was edited on 5/16/18 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 5/16/18 at 12:29 pm to DeionDeion
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at the end of the day though, as long as AD is happy, I'm satisfied. as much as I hate letting a superstar player dictate what the FO does, you need to consult AD and Jrue for that matter and at least let them feel apart of these big decisions
Absolutely. I think the FO probably tends towards wanting to S&T Boogie and keep Mirotic based on their actions and press conference, but they do not want to upset AD. AD has always seemingly expressed undying support for Boogie, but his response in the post-game interview for Game 5 was curious:
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Q. Anthony, you mentioned and referenced DeMarcus. Will you go to management this summer and say, hey, you know, I'd really like to see him back going into next season and beyond?
ANTHONY DAVIS: I'm still trying to get over this, so that's something I'll be talking about later on. Right now, just trying to get over this, this series loss, and that's really it, honestly. When the time come up, we'll discuss it then.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 12:30 pm to NOFOX
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I think he would first ask a team with not quite enough space to stretch a player or dump salary to create space instead of exploring a S&T because he is petty.
Eh, I don't agree. One, I don't think Cousins would be that petty. Two, I don't think he would have that much influence on a franchise's decision to make that happen.
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Dell then pulled the other 1st. Vlade at his press conference admitted to having a better deal earlier.
Got it, I recall the story now. I can't say I blame his team for using that tactic. IIRC, the difference in signing the supermax with the Kings, and a max with another team was $30 mil over the length of the contract. Assuming he was eligible to sign that last year prior to being traded, that amount likely increases with this injury as he probably will not receive an offer for the qualified max. If I were a NBA player, I would want my team to do what it takes to maximize my salary. Tanking his trade value in this situation wasn't an attempt to minimize the return to the Kings, but was meant to maximize Boogie's earnings.
This post was edited on 5/16/18 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 5/16/18 at 12:43 pm to mm2316
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Boogie isn't restricted, so the chances of a sign ad trade are none to very unlikely.
I think in a typical scenario you're right, but there isn't much cap space out there this off season, and there are only a couple of teams that can afford to give Cousins what he's likely wanting to sign for. On top of that, who knows if the teams that can afford him will want to pay him what he wants?
There would be no sign and trade if he were going to a team that can afford him.
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