re: Trey looks gunshy tonight

Next season, though. If we're going to shell out the money for BI, we might financially have to dump CJ.

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CJ's been the much better 3pt shooter this season, and can do way more than Trey can as well.

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Yeah CJ is the better player but not sure if hes the better fit. For instance not really sure the “other stuff” CJ does like getting his own shot are actually needed as much when you have Zion and BI. The starting lineup is pretty much a negative and honestly its not crazy to think putting Trey in the lineup might solve that. CJ shot creation may be better option coming off the bench than being redundant with BI and Zion in the starting lineup.

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CJ is redundant

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What?

We have 2 volume shooters in our rotation. CJ is not only not redundant, he has a skillset we desperately need more of in our rotation.

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CJ is not only not redundant, he has a skillset we desperately need more of in our rotation.

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To be clear I think hes only redundant when it comes to his shot creating in the starting lineup. Hes needed and not redundant on the roster as a whole. Im assuming this is what he meant as well.

The dream offseason is to trade BI and Nance for Dejounte Murray and Okongwu. Re-sign JV. Then move CJ to the bench and start Trey.

Murray/CJ/Jose
Herb/Hawk
Trey/Dyson/ Matt Ryan
Zion/Free Agent/EJ
Okongwu/JV/Karlo

I know no one wants to hear it, but Trey is one of our best trade assets, and he dosn't start for us, and he's not going to start in the positions that we need to upgrade, mainly the 5. And.....We have a rookie who doesn't get minutes, that i think most of us woudl be perfectly fine with getting the same shots Trey does. Obviously defensively there's a difference, but offensively, Hawkins can provide most of what Trey does.


If for whatever reason Utah would let Lauri go, i would include Trey in a deal for him.
With how Herb has evolved, i don't think i'd be willing to include him too. If he's going to be a 40% 3 point shooter who is really good at getting to the rim and finishing when someone closes him out, on top of being one of the best defenders in the league, then no i'm not trading him for pretty much anyone. Herb is super elite in his role.

Now does Utah feel that a deal for Trey and pobably Dyson as well as probably 2-3 more 1sts move the needle for them? I don't know. While i'd like the trade to happen, i don't see any reason why Utah would trade Lauri. They have picks coming out of their arse and they should be loading up on talent to surround Lauri, not more picks.




Would Cleveland trade Evan Mobley for Trey? that doesn't help our 3 point shooting, but it sure would help the defense. I'm sure Cleveland would rather trade Allen, but i think they've come to the conclusion that they need to move one of those guys.



I think the guy we should make a low key move for in the offseason to replace Larry is Jonathon Isaac. before his injuries he was doing somethign special defensively. Awesome defender and rim protector at 6'11", and he's gotten back to those old ways now, and i think he can eventually come around to being a decent 3 point shooter. Even if he just shoots 36%, i'd be fine with that.
The injury risk with him is about as much as it is with Larry, and the upside of Isaac is a lot higher than Larry.

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I know no one wants to hear it, but Trey is one of our best trade assets, and he dosn't start for us

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But with this, you're essentially trading Trey for 1 additional year of CJ. That's basically what it would be doing.

You can trade CJ for 5 additional years of Trey.

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If for whatever reason Utah would let Lauri go, i would include Trey in a deal for him.
With how Herb has evolved, i don't think i'd be willing to include him too. If he's going to be a 40% 3 point shooter who is really good at getting to the rim and finishing when someone closes him out, on top of being one of the best defenders in the league, then no i'm not trading him for pretty much anyone. Herb is super elite in his role.

Now does Utah feel that a deal for Trey and pobably Dyson as well as probably 2-3 more 1sts move the needle for them? I don't know. While i'd like the trade to happen, i don't see any reason why Utah would trade Lauri. They have picks coming out of their arse and they should be loading up on talent to surround Lauri, not more picks.

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IN this scenario, are you extending BI? Because if so, it's probably unrealistic as it likely takes us pretty deep into the tax with 3 max contracts, 2 being new 30% deals as of 2025, unless we're letting go of a bunch of bench guys and replacing with minimum salaries.

CJ needs a mentor like Zion to teach him how to take care of himself so that he continues to get stronger throughout the season instead of peaking in October.