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re: Trade Zion
Posted on 11/5/24 at 2:09 pm to shel311
Posted on 11/5/24 at 2:09 pm to shel311
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What Giannis has done for Milwaukee, it's pretty baffling you wouldn't agree that there is zero chance Milwaukee would send him to a team he wouldn't sign off on.
I get what you're saying, but Miami doesn't have the necessary assets to trade for Giannis, unless Bam is getting traded. Neither of the LA teams have anythign worth a shite to give them. Brooklyn just has picks and no good players.
Houston, OKC, Pels, Spurs, Magic, Hawks, Grizzlies all have young all star caliber players they can trade along with a ton of picks. Hell even the Warriors could put together a better package than the big city teams b/c they have all of their picks and Kuminga/Podz is better or at a minimum equal to anythign Miami/Brooklyn/LA would give up.
He's not going to Miami/Brooklyn/LA, you make my words on that. Well.....maybe Brooklyn if they offer a shite load of picks and the Bucks woudl rather just suck to rebuild. But that doens't make any sense b/c them sucking is good for us in the short term, not them. ANything Brooklyn can offer, the Jazz can do a ton better if the Bucks want to rebuild through the draft while also getting young talent like Hendricks, Williams, and George, and they Jazz could keep Lauri and Sexton, and they could do this and get the Bucks out of the tax completely, and the Jazz could be just under the cap for next year and could actually go use the full MLE to add to their team
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Even with Dame, he didn't get his top choice, but we learned he did sign off in Milwaukee.
who wouldn't sign off to go compete for a championship with Giannis?
No one wanted to give up a kings ransom for an aging $50-60/yr Lillard for the next 3 years, and Miami yet again didn't have shite to offer compared to others. Giannis will fetch more than what AD went for, which was a lot. We didn't cave into dealing him to the Lakers. We got an awesome return for him from the Lakers.
This post was edited on 11/5/24 at 2:16 pm
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Posted on 11/5/24 at 2:41 pm to TeddyPadillac
I...STILL...like Brandon Miller.
Not sure WHY... I felt the urge to say that...just wanted to do so.
Not sure WHY... I felt the urge to say that...just wanted to do so.
This post was edited on 11/5/24 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 11/5/24 at 9:28 pm to Dinky Mulberry
What if he DM'd you tomorrow and said "I like you too"?
Would you still like him just as a player, or as something more?
Would you still like him just as a player, or as something more?
Posted on 11/6/24 at 9:47 am to Dinky Mulberry
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Dinky Mulberry
Do you still hate Brandon Ingram, though?
Posted on 11/6/24 at 10:36 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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Dinky Mulberry
Do you still hate Brandon Ingram, though?
Don't "hate" BI. Seems like a nice enough fella. I just don't like his game on a roster that features Zion as your star player...and yes...Zion is "the star"...until the Pels decide otherwise.
I expect (& hope) the Pels move BI in the near future...but who knows. Maybe they will keep BOTH BI and Zion...not something I'm particularly fond of doing.
Posted on 11/6/24 at 10:54 am to Dinky Mulberry
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I just don't like his game on a roster that features Zion as your star player...and yes...Zion is "the star"...until the Pels decide otherwise.
What if you realize that Zion isn't a star you can rely on? Then what? You just keep churning through top 30 players until you find the one that both fits next to Zion and can carry the team for the 35 games a year Zion misses?
BI isn't a fit issue, Zion is.
Posted on 11/6/24 at 3:51 pm to Jester
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What if you realize that Zion isn't a star you can rely on? Then what? You just keep churning through top 30 players until you find the one that both fits next to Zion and can carry the team for the 35 games a year Zion misses?
BI isn't a fit issue, Zion is.
One at a time...BI needs to go 1st...then...you give Zion a shot with the "right" lineup around him. If Zion can't develope into that "star" we all want him to be...you trade him. I think Zion STILL has a very solid "trade value"...unlike BI...who is pretty much worthless. Just don't wait around TOO long...or Zion could end up as worthless...as BI.
Posted on 11/6/24 at 4:02 pm to Dinky Mulberry
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then...you give Zion a shot with the "right" lineup around him. If Zion can't develope into that "star" we all want him to be...you trade him.
stars don't take 6 years to become a star, regardless of what roster they play with.
Posted on 11/6/24 at 4:10 pm to TeddyPadillac
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then...you give Zion a shot with the "right" lineup around him. If Zion can't develope into that "star" we all want him to be...you trade him.
stars don't take 6 years to become a star, regardless of what roster they play with.
Rest assured...I'm not very optimistic of Zion developing into a true "star"...but I've COMPLETELY given up on BI...as has apparently every other team in the NBA. So...you totally turn over the keys to Zion...put 4 shooters around him...and see what happens. Doesn't work?...you move his azz...while he still has value...DON"T WAIT AROUND TIL HE'S AS WORTHLESS ON THE MARKET AS BI IS !!
Posted on 11/6/24 at 4:24 pm to Dinky Mulberry
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but I've COMPLETELY given up on BI...as has apparently every other team in the NBA.
I think the way he’s played his value has substantially increased. Whether Griff will trade him or not is a different question.
Posted on 11/6/24 at 5:08 pm to TeddyPadillac
He's had star numbers since his first game in the NBA and that has never waivered.
He does not have a star mentality and doesn't seem like he lives basketball and wants to be the best.
He didn't make a pitch for the Olympics or me tion any interest in playing, he has never been seen playing pick up in the off season, he does not hang with teammates, ect.
His numbers however are historically good so let's not go there bro.
He does not have a star mentality and doesn't seem like he lives basketball and wants to be the best.
He didn't make a pitch for the Olympics or me tion any interest in playing, he has never been seen playing pick up in the off season, he does not hang with teammates, ect.
His numbers however are historically good so let's not go there bro.
Posted on 11/6/24 at 5:16 pm to Jester
quote:Then you still don't give BI a 3rd contract max.
What if you realize that Zion isn't a star you can rely on? Then what?
quote:Zion's never played with a top 30 player.
You just keep churning through top 30 players
Posted on 11/6/24 at 5:23 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Whether Griff will trade him or not is a different question.
I've been on the fence about trade BI vs re-sign BI in that I don't think there is a clear answer on what makes us more competitive. But if he hasn't signed a new deal by the ASB and we're toiling in play-in territory by the week of the deadline, we need to trade BI and soft-launch the rebuild that will likely see us also trade Zion either this offseason or at the 2026 deadline.
Posted on 11/6/24 at 5:29 pm to Broski
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I've been on the fence about trade BI vs re-sign BI in that I don't think there is a clear answer on what makes us more competitive.
I think you let it play out till the deadline. It depends on several things too. How hes playing, team playing, team health and Zion’s availability and play. I honestly think I agree with you this team might be headed towards a minireset. Unless BI leads this team to a playoff series win - I can’t see them resigning him and its not his fault- hes played fantastic this season. Zion really has to play himself into serious MVP talk, otherwise I think he may be gone this summer too.
Posted on 11/6/24 at 5:51 pm to shel311
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Zion's never played with a top 30 player.
ESPN ranked BI 27 just a season ago.
This post was edited on 11/6/24 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 11/6/24 at 5:52 pm to shel311
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Then you still don't give BI a 3rd contract max.
And there is nothing between that and letting him walk?
Posted on 11/6/24 at 5:55 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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And there is nothing between that and letting him walk?
But I guess here’s my question do you think the way hes playing him or his agent will ask for anything less than a max?
Posted on 11/6/24 at 6:46 pm to ZForMVPFromThe313
quote:Were historically good.
His numbers however are historically good so let's not go there bro.
Posted on 11/6/24 at 10:58 pm to shel311
If BI keeps this level of play, someone might offer him a max. 24 pts 5 ast 6 reb a game, actually shooting 3s and has been easily our best player so far. 6’9 forwards who can can dribble and shoot like guards get paid. I hope Griff can figure out a way to make it work.
Posted on 11/7/24 at 6:41 am to spaghettioeauxs
Fire Willie first, get DJM and Trey back in a month. Then see how we do.
Don't forget David Griffin. Your child will do what you allow him to do.
Don't forget David Griffin. Your child will do what you allow him to do.
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