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re: Trade season has started, BREAKING: DURANT TO SUNS, frick
Posted on 1/23/23 at 1:47 pm to shel311
Posted on 1/23/23 at 1:47 pm to shel311
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That's what I'm trying to figure out by folks saying Washington is helping the Lakers and got trash for Rui.
Washington wasn't going to keep Rui and no team was going to give a 1st, so how is 3 2nds a bad deal for the Wizards?
They did a good job here.
Yep people just think everyone is worth a 1st now after the Gobert trade ruined the market but thats just not reality
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Posted on 1/23/23 at 1:55 pm to TigerinATL
From that same article
Graham, Pels 1st and Raps 1st to Spurs, Val to Raps, Trent Jr and Poetl to Pels?
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Two surprising teams that are active in Poeltl trade talks are the New Orleans Pelicans and the Portland Trail Blazers. The Pelicans and Blazers have notable centers in Jonas Valanciunas and Jusuf Nurkic, respectively, however both teams have inquired about Poeltl’s availability.
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Scouts I’ve spoken with speculate that the Pelicans and Blazers may see Poeltl as a better fit due to the fact that teams continue to evolve away from centers who need touches in the low post to be effective.
Graham, Pels 1st and Raps 1st to Spurs, Val to Raps, Trent Jr and Poetl to Pels?
This post was edited on 1/23/23 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 1/23/23 at 1:58 pm to Soggymoss
A point that Shamit has been hammering for months is whether you think JV is good or bad, Willie clearly doesn't believe in him when it counts. Unfortunately Poetl is like Turner. Perhaps a better fit, but a relatively lateral move with a high acquisition cost and future contract cost.
This post was edited on 1/23/23 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 1/23/23 at 1:59 pm to Soggymoss
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Scouts I’ve spoken with speculate that the Pelicans and Blazers may see Poeltl as a better fit due to the fact that teams continue to evolve away from centers who need touches in the low post to be effective.
I mean i get it. If Jonas isnt getting touches, he's not really useful out there since he isnt a good defender. When we were healthy his touches dropped a ton.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 2:02 pm to TigerinATL
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A point that Shamit has been hammering for months is whether you think JV is good or bad, Willie clearly doesn't believe in him when it counts. Unfortunately Poetl is like Turner, a relatively lateral move with a high acquisition cost and future contract cost.
Yep thats why id like to go get bamba. Would be cheap to get and between jonas, bamba, and nance we'd have a center for almost any situation. Center by committee seems the best way to team build these days. Unless you have a star center, i dont want to pay 20+m for one
Posted on 1/23/23 at 2:04 pm to TigerinATL
quote:JV can be frustrating on the defensive end, particularly in the P&R, but I like him as a member of the Pels. He is a solid rebounder and very good FT shooter for a big. Poeltl is a better rim protector and defender but not much on the offensive end. Maybe the Pels feel they have enough offense (when healthy). I would think this was a long shot.
A point that Shamit has been hammering for months is whether you think JV is good or bad, Willie clearly doesn't believe in him when it counts. Unfortunately Poetl is like Turner, a relatively lateral move with a high acquisition cost and future contract cost.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 2:09 pm to NOSHAU
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JV can be frustrating on the defensive end, particularly in the P&R, but I like him as a member of the Pels. He is a solid rebounder and very good FT shooter for a big. Poeltl is a better rim protector and defender but not much on the offensive end. Maybe the Pels feel they have enough offense (when healthy). I would think this was a long shot.
Not so much JV -> Poeltl, but Nance -> Poeltl.
Nance is a solid defensive small-ball 5, but other than that his offensive game overlaps too much with what Zion does best (rim running, dunks, putbacks).
But the amount to giveup seems unreasonable to keep 2 7ft bigs.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 2:15 pm to TigerinATL
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Perhaps a better fit, but a relatively lateral move with a high acquisition cost and future contract cost.
This 100%
Poetl is a bit better at the rim and worse outside…strictly lateral move at best…no thanks.
Unless it’s clearly an upgrade then I’m not a fan of making moves just to make moves. Moreso, I’m not in favor of laying all of the rim protection issues on JV while Willy keeps playing young SFs at the 4. We don’t see nearly those issue when the Pels have a real 4 on the court.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 2:16 pm to TigerinATL
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is there a trade of Graham/Jax/1st that brings back a better return?
absolutely.
one that doesn't involve us trading a 1st, or trading a 1st for an expiring player.
We are not in win a championship this year mode. We can't give up assets to make a trade to try to win it this year. Unless you get some kind of handshake agreement with Gary Trent Jr that he'll resign for a specific amount, and someone like CJ says take his word on that agreement, i'm not giving up a 1st for an expiring guy, even though i'd very much like to get Gary Trent Jr.
and i don't understand why the SPurs are getting 2 first round picks here. Poeltl is barely worth 1 1st, and the Spurs aren't even taking on salary in this situation, which is there biggest asset.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 5:45 pm to TeddyPadillac
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TF @ThunderFocus 28m
“They could trade him today for a first round pick but they’ve decided to hold onto him” - Shams on Kenrich Williams
Kenrich Williams going from undrafted to worth a 1st. Good for you Kenny Hustle. His 4 year extension, which starts next year, is 4/$27, so about $6.75 million per year. This seems like a pretty good comp when the Pels have talks with Naji.
This post was edited on 1/23/23 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 1/23/23 at 6:05 pm to TigerinATL
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Kenrich Williams going from undrafted to worth a 1st. Good for you Kenny Hustle. His 4 year extension, which starts next year, is 4/$27, so about $6.75 million per year. This seems like a pretty good comp when the Pels have talks with Naji.
I was thinking 4/32 so 8 million/ year for Naji would be a great deal for the pels. Kenny is a better shooter but Naji is a much better all around offensive player while being similar defenders. I would jump all over that as the pels
Posted on 1/23/23 at 6:27 pm to Balsamic_duck
What we have going for us with Naji is hes a RFA. Nobody is going to tie up their cap space for him, and nobody will tie up their MLE for him while waiting for us to decide to match.
That 6-8 million a year is where i expect he will land though, and we will love it.
I also think thats the range Jose and Herb’s next contract falls into.
That 6-8 million a year is where i expect he will land though, and we will love it.
I also think thats the range Jose and Herb’s next contract falls into.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 6:44 pm to Soggymoss
This why it is so important to build a team through the draft.
Pels need as many cheap contract guys who would be RFA when the time comes.
Pels need as many cheap contract guys who would be RFA when the time comes.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:21 pm to Aussie_Pelican
All 3 of those guys were undrafted or a 2nd round pick….
Posted on 1/23/23 at 8:27 pm to Soggymoss
Yeah I know, but still through cheap deals was my point.
Rather than signing FA's who will cost more to sign in NOLA.
Rather than signing FA's who will cost more to sign in NOLA.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 8:34 pm to Aussie_Pelican
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Yeah I know, but still through cheap deals was my point. Rather than signing FA's who will cost more to sign in NOLA.
We will be above the cap for the foreseeable future, so theres no FA signings for us, it will be minimum deal players and draft picks.
The thing with young players though, when you're trying to compete for a championship they're usually not the type to help you because they will have a learning curve, which is why you have to make the trades and get the vet players.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 8:54 pm to TigerinATL
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Kenrich Williams going from undrafted to worth a 1st. Good for you Kenny Hustle. His 4 year extension, which starts next year, is 4/$27, so about $6.75 million per year. This seems like a pretty good comp when the Pels have talks with Naji.
If Kenrich Williams is worth a 1st, is Herb or Naji?
This post was edited on 1/23/23 at 8:55 pm
Posted on 1/23/23 at 9:24 pm to htran90
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If Kenrich Williams is worth a 1st, is Herb or Naji?
Herb for sure. He’s an elite wing defender with room to grow on offense. Probably a pick in the late teens. Naji is playing himself there. Wings are the most valuable position in the league. Rui just got 3 2nds as an expiring and he has never played as well as herb. I think Naji this year has been better than any year rui has had.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 9:26 pm to htran90
I think a lot will depend on what their 2nd contract looks like. If it’s reasonable I’d say they are worth a 1st. Royce O’Neal went for a 1st.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 9:31 pm to TigerinATL
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I think a lot will depend on what their 2nd contract looks like. If it’s reasonable I’d say they are worth a 1st. Royce O’Neal went for a 1st.
Exactly a team like Memphis, Denver, or Philly would absolutely trade a pick in the 20s for a proven elite defensive wing over taking a swing in the draft that probably will never be as good as herb
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