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re: tOfficial Pels Coaching Search Thread (minor stein update re: Lee and Green)

Posted on 7/8/21 at 8:38 am to
Posted by jmcwhrter
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 7/8/21 at 8:38 am to
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Has there been any updates on the HC decision yet?


Fletcher says Pels and Willie Green have mutually "very strong" interest...

So I'd put my money on Phil Jackson
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 7/8/21 at 8:44 am to
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Has there been any updates on the HC decision yet? I feel like we’ve been stuck between Lee or Green for the past week now. Anything about if they’ve had a second interview or who the front office is leaning to?


Nothing of any substance. You would have seen multiple threads on it I'm sure if there was anything majorly new.
Posted by ThanosIsADemocrat
The Garden
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 7/8/21 at 8:45 am to
Lee and Green are both probably very busy right now.
Posted by NolaTiger52
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2018
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Posted on 7/8/21 at 8:53 am to
quote:

Fletcher says Pels and Willie Green have mutually "very strong" interest...

So I'd put my money on Phil Jackson

Posted by duyp
Member since May 2011
3322 posts
Posted on 7/8/21 at 8:56 am to
Dream scenario would be Coach K or Roy Williams coming in and becoming assistants or becoming a special advisors to the pelicans.
This post was edited on 7/8/21 at 8:58 am
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
127863 posts
Posted on 7/8/21 at 9:09 am to
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Dream scenario would be Coach K or Roy Williams coming in and becoming assistants or becoming a special advisors to the pelicans.



I can't tell what is sarcasm anymore on this board.

I was thinking more someone like Lionel Hollins as a lead assistant.
Posted by duyp
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 7/8/21 at 9:20 am to
Haha that’s why I said it’s a dream. I know it’s not going to happen though.
Posted by LilWezyAna
BR
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 7/8/21 at 9:34 am to
The draft is in 3 weeks and we still dont have a coach
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 7/8/21 at 9:35 am to
Neither does Orlando or Washington
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
127863 posts
Posted on 7/8/21 at 9:39 am to
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Neither does Orlando or Washington


two model franchises. What great company

Meanwhile Boston, Dallas, Portland, Pacers, all teams with some success over the past few years have all made hires, quickly. None of us liked Kidd for us, but at least Dallas went out and got the guy they wanted.

I get that they have to make the right call here, as this is a huge hire...and maybe they have their guy and are just waiting for the Finals to end per his request.

But man, just shite or get off the pot. Last year's two month debacle is haunting.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 7/8/21 at 9:40 am to
Will Guillory's series in The Athletic on potential coaching hires (he's done Lee, Vaughn, and Vinson already) gets to Willie Green today.

See key ibts:

quote:

Why it makes sense

Hiring Green would fit with a lot of the reasoning I laid out in our story about Vinson’s candidacy last week. He’s got experience in the city of New Orleans, he knows how to develop intimate relationships with players, and he’s got an excellent track record with player development.

Two major factors separate Green from most other candidates, though: playing experience and rings.

While Vinson did have a cup of coffee in the league, Green played 12 years in the NBA and was asked to fill a vast number of roles during his time. He learned how to adapt with good teams and find where he fits. He knew how to stand out and not get lost in the fray on bad teams. It’s easier to gain the respect of young players when you have that long track record to look back on and reference while teaching.

Even more important, Green has been around two (and possibly three) championship-winning teams in the last five years. He’s seen up close what it takes to win when the lights are brightest and how to respond when the pressure seems like it’s too much to overcome.

No matter what team he works for, Green can walk into any room and demand a certain level of respect because of what he’s experienced in Golden State and Phoenix during some of the most remarkable runs in the history of those franchises.

Green’s experience is truly unique compared to other candidates because he’s had so much success at the very beginning of his coaching career. By the end of this season, he may have three rings as a coach before even reaching his 40th birthday. He’s already seen so much, but he’s still young enough to relate to a roster full of players in their 20s. He knows the modern game and can blend the old-school eye-test approach while also incorporating some of the analytics and data-driven theories that have taken over the game in recent years.

Snatching up the lead assistant from a title team hasn’t always been a formula for success in the past. Remember when Alvin Gentry was giving shoutouts to Anthony Davis in the Warriors’ champagne-soaked locker room in 2015? That didn’t exactly work out the way New Orleans hoped.

But when you look at how Green’s current and former co-workers speak about him, it seems like it’s only a matter of time before he finds the same kind of success as a head coach. Perhaps New Orleans is the right place for him to display his blend of intensity and relatability that helped him reach this point.


quote:

Biggest questions

- Will he be creative enough offensively to get the most out of Zion Williamson and Brandon Ingram?
- How will he go about developing the young guards on the roster?
- Can he be the strong leader in the locker room this team needs?
- How will he handle the extra attention and additional voices around the franchise that comes with coaching Zion?
- Will his championship experience with Golden State and Phoenix put added pressure on the organization to win big immediately?
- How will he handle the tremendous scrutiny this team will be facing if they don’t show significant improvement next season?


After reading this piece, I think that I'd definitely choose Green over Lee, based on what I've seen. Of course, we don't get to sit in these interviews or talk confidentially to people who played for and worked with these guys, so I won't be upset if we end up going with Lee or Vinson.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29749 posts
Posted on 7/8/21 at 10:13 am to
I'm all in on Willie, but he has to bring in a lead assistant with HC experience, like Mike Brown or Kenny Atkinson.

Atkinson would have been nice, but he just got hired by the Warriors to be their lead assistant, which is odd, b/c Mike Brown has been in that role for the last 5 years.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
127863 posts
Posted on 7/8/21 at 10:14 am to
Pretty obvious that GS thinks they need to make some changes to get back.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
127863 posts
Posted on 7/8/21 at 12:51 pm to
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The Mavericks are in advanced talks to hire Detroit’s Sean Sweeney as an assistant to new coach Jason Kidd as Kidd begins to assemble his coaching staff, league sources say. Sweeney coached under Kidd with Brooklyn and Milwaukee.
Posted by Billy Mays
Member since Jan 2009
25745 posts
Posted on 7/8/21 at 1:41 pm to
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Even more important, Green has been around two (and possibly three) championship-winning teams in the last five years. He’s seen up close what it takes to win when the lights are brightest and how to respond when the pressure seems like it’s too much to overcome.


Absolutely hate it when people use this line of thinking as some sort of roadmap to success when projecting them to a completely different situation. Alvin Gentry was with the Warriors before us. Monty was with the Spurs before us.

It's like when a team overpays for a free agent on a team that won the championship the year prior, hoping to syphon some sort of winning voodoo off of their past accomplishments.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
127863 posts
Posted on 7/8/21 at 1:45 pm to
Being a part of winning staffs is useful. Its certainly better than only having ever been on losers.

it doesn't mean it will translate to the same kind of success.
Posted by Pelicans15
Bossier
Member since Mar 2019
909 posts
Posted on 7/8/21 at 1:47 pm to
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It's like when a team overpays for a free agent on a team that won the championship the year prior, hoping to syphon some sort of winning voodoo off of their past accomplishments.


James Posey??
Posted by duyp
Member since May 2011
3322 posts
Posted on 7/8/21 at 1:49 pm to
If we do get Green, I wonder if he brings Mark Bryant along with him.

KD and Perkins seem to like him.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
127863 posts
Posted on 7/8/21 at 1:50 pm to
Maybe that will end Perkins endless sabotage and hate fest on this franchise.

(also, don't see why Bryant would leave unless he is being made the Lead)
This post was edited on 7/8/21 at 1:52 pm
Posted by Billy Mays
Member since Jan 2009
25745 posts
Posted on 7/8/21 at 2:03 pm to
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Being a part of winning staffs is useful. Its certainly better than only having ever been on losers.

it doesn't mean it will translate to the same kind of success.


I'm not saying it has no use or it's some sort of negative, but the writer said "even more important". I don't see it as very "important" at all, but each his/her own.
This post was edited on 7/8/21 at 3:19 pm
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