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re: tOfficial Pels Coaching Search Thread (minor stein update re: Lee and Green)

Posted on 7/2/21 at 9:11 am to
Posted by hendersonshands
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Posted on 7/2/21 at 9:11 am to
It's so Fletcher to say that Charles Lee who has several years as an NBA assistant coach isn't ready to be a head coach, but Teresa Weatherspoon is a possibility.
Posted by Mystery
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Posted on 7/2/21 at 9:15 am to
*Facts & opinion
This post was edited on 7/2/21 at 9:16 am
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 7/2/21 at 9:17 am to
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It's so Fletcher to say that Charles Lee who has several years as an NBA assistant coach isn't ready to be a head coach, but Teresa Weatherspoon is a possibility.




for whatever it matters, spoon does have HC experience and is 19 yrs older than Lee. For whatever that matters... I don't think there's a universe that exists that I would choose T spoon over Vinson if i was that freaking desperate.
Posted by Bronc
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Posted on 7/2/21 at 9:22 am to
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I guess they don't give a shite what a head coach thinks about who we should draft.



I think that should be clear as day at this point.

This is Griff’s organization, top to bottom, and those that went into fury mode a few years ago if you dared put any stink on his name, you have your wish, but I’m not sure his micromanaging style and inflated ego is what’s best for winning basketball.
Posted by NOSHAU
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Posted on 7/2/21 at 9:26 am to
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Pelicans HC update:
*Facts & opinion Down pointing backhand index

Billups & Vaughn were Pels #1, 1A

Charles Lee may be good associate HC in NOLA, but not head coach…not yet.

Willie Green now top target, but will DC or Orlando get him?

If not Willie, who?
Maybe Ham, Unseld, Mosley or Weatherspoon


Not that we should believe a word that comes out of Fletcher's mouth, but how embarrassing would it be if that were true. Losing you top choice to Portland and your other top choice because he would rather wait for another opening later if the Nets do well again. However, if you lose your next choice to Orlando or Washington, that would be as low as you could get.

Unfortunately, I think that is how we ended up with SVG last year. He was all that was left after all of our top choices turned us down.
Posted by Bronc
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Posted on 7/2/21 at 9:36 am to
Willie Green is an interesting one especially because not only did he play for this team, but he currently is employed and good friends with people that have had sour relationships with this franchise.

Monty survived regime change only to see the Benson’s side with a shitty GM over a coach that took a team to the playoffs and players loved. I guarantee that won’t be missed when Willie Green asks Monty on his thoughts about accepting a job from a Benson team. And Willie Green can look right now at how SVG was quickly and easily thrown under the bus after one season and see the truth to that dynamic.

I said before, if I were Vaughn I’d stick to Brooklyn as well because it’s a win-win situation. Nash falters and your already beloved by the FO there and the next guy up. Nash wins and you are an even hotter name and can pick your next job much easier. Wouldn’t be shocked to see Willie Green make a similar calculus.
This post was edited on 7/2/21 at 9:37 am
Posted by kadillak
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Posted on 7/2/21 at 9:39 am to
I don't know if this has been talked about, but I learned yesterday listening to a Will Wade interview that Fred Vinson's son, Corey, used to be a GA for LSU and now he's with Phoenix as Assistant Video Coordinator/Player Development Assistant. We have a bunch of random connections with Phoenix.
Posted by ghost2most
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 7/2/21 at 9:45 am to
Fletch has less knowledge than the average ranter. He's such a fricking moron.

We're not losing a coach battle to freaking Washington or Orlando. That's just stupid talk. And Witherspoon? Give me a fricking break.

Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 7/2/21 at 9:58 am to
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for whatever it matters, spoon does have HC experience and is 19 yrs older than Lee. For whatever that matters


Did you see Griff's presser from a week or 2 ago? He practically started laughing at the idea of TSpoon as head coach.

Also, a lot of reports seem to indicate Lee was the runner up last time. How can you go from runner up to not ready? This seems like more BS than usual from Fletch.

But I don't think he's making things up, he's just bad at connecting dots. I think people are jumping to the conclusion that the Pels running a full/thorough search for a head coach and not playing the usual NBA game where you fake interview a few candidates and then announce the person you wanted all along means Lee isn't who the Pels wanted all along.

Griff just asked Mrs. Benson to eat a lot of money, of course they're going to do even heavier vetting this time. If you're trying to get away from the mistake of last year then unearthing a better candidate now, like Willie Green, gets you even further removed from the debacle than the guy you should have hired in the first place.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 7/2/21 at 10:00 am to
Do you think Vaughn turned us down or we politely moved on?
Posted by 3PieceSpicy
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Posted on 7/2/21 at 10:05 am to
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The Benson’s side with a shitty GM


Pretty sure they put Loomis in charge of that and he decided to side with his fellow GM over the coach. We really didn’t have basketball people making decisions after the Benson’s took over. Mickey was the President of Basketball Ops for 7-8 years lol.They entrusted the entire thing to Mickey and he openly admitted the Pels weren’t close to being his main focus lol.
This post was edited on 7/2/21 at 10:08 am
Posted by Mystery
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Posted on 7/2/21 at 10:08 am to
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Monty survived regime change only to see the Benson’s side with a shitty GM over a coach that took a team to the playoffs and players loved. I guarantee that won’t be missed when Willie Green asks Monty on his thoughts about accepting a job from a Benson team.


Do you really think Monty is holding a grudge over a dead mans decision?

Gayle wasn't doing anything with the team in 2015.
This post was edited on 7/2/21 at 10:09 am
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 7/2/21 at 10:08 am to
I don’t think there is any motive or reason to believe Vaughn would be making up staying with the Nets for the reasons he did because some second tier franchise did or did not “turn him down,” it’s just a weird fantasy to concoct in one’s head to try and play defense for an organization you aren’t working for.

Nobody knows anything that went on behind closed doors from either party or Vaughn’s decision-making process. Most people can’t even tell anything about him besides his coaching record in Orlando, but then some think the are Sigmund Freud across a computer screen and have unlocked the “real” psychology of a guy they don’t know anything about.
Posted by Bronc
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Posted on 7/2/21 at 10:14 am to
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Do you really think Monty is holding a grudge over a dead mans decision?

Unless by Benson you mean Dennis Lauscha? Which I doubt he had any say in it.


I mean the same ownership group that chose(and continues to choose) egotistical GM’s over coaches when power struggles or hardship arises, continue to be the one’s cutting the checks and holding the trajectory of your future in their hands if you sign on as coach here. In a league known not be coach friendly, Griff has quickly gained a reputation for standing out even from that crowd and Monty saw first hand that our ownership sides with them.

You’d be a fool to think Monty would come back to this organization after what we did to him, and I guarantee that experience would shade any conversation Monty has with Willie Green. He doesn’t have to hold a grudge to tell the truth, and the truth is there are a lot of red flags coming here if you are a coach.

I’d hope that the allure of Langdon and someone like BI actively participating in recruitment can help assuage those fears, but I’m very interested in who we actually land, and what assistants we can attract with them.
This post was edited on 7/2/21 at 10:16 am
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 7/2/21 at 10:17 am to
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Do you think Vaughn turned us down or we politely moved on?


I'm not sure what to think about Vaughn. Being a head coach is hard and most experienced HCs are more selective when taking their 2nd opportunity. Whether it was feeling he wasn't the Pels 1st choice, or not liking a micromanaging POBO, or maybe the pay was less than expected, Vaughn decided he liked his current situation better.

I do wonder if Griff is still on about pushing defense first. If he is I think that's a recipe for another disappointing season.
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 7/2/21 at 10:20 am to
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You’d be a fool to think Monty would come back to this organization after what we did to him


He gave his boss a Him Or Me ultimatum and Loomis chose the other guy. I honestly believe both Monty and Demps would have been together another year if Monty hadn't forced the issue.
Posted by Bronc
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Posted on 7/2/21 at 10:27 am to
And that arose out of another situation where the GM was attempting to blame shift and micromanage the team. Monty was being suffocated by a GM that hampered him with a poor fitting roster, also impacted by injuries, and wanted him to do run the team his way.

Much like reports that have surfaced about Griff and last years SVG team.

And in both instances ownership has unequivocally sided with the micromanaging GM’s.

I don’t think that would be lost on Green and Monty, and if it isn’t a concern of Green’s I’d honestly be concerned about Green’s judgement. Doesn’t mean he might not still see the upside of coaching Zion and a BI that seems to actively be wanting to be coached by Willie.
Posted by NOSHAU
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Posted on 7/2/21 at 10:33 am to
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We're not losing a coach battle to freaking Washington or Orlando.
You would certainly hope not. That would be embarrassing.
Posted by Mystery
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Posted on 7/2/21 at 10:34 am to
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I mean the same ownership group that chose(and continues to choose) egotistical GM’s over coaches when power struggles or hardship arises, continue to be the one’s cutting the checks and holding the trajectory of your future in their hands if you sign on as coach here.


So Gayle should have sided with SVG?
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 7/2/21 at 12:49 pm to
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Willie Green is now the leading candidate in the Pelicans head coaching search. Charles Lee has impressed, but is no longer their first choice, per Source!

#wontbowdown  #NBA LINK


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