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re: To add insult to injury
Posted on 11/13/24 at 12:37 pm to Townedrunkard
Posted on 11/13/24 at 12:37 pm to Townedrunkard
I think I remember calling you a fellow scholar in that thread. I was getting plumetted with downvotes. I thought Dyson should have been the PG of the future.
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Posted on 11/13/24 at 12:41 pm to shel311
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He's not better, he's the same dude offensively he was the last 2 seasons, just with more usage now.
Alright Im not contesting your numbers. But his higher usage even though not as efficient on offense has made them a better overall team with him in the lineup and helping them win games. Would you agree to that?
Posted on 11/13/24 at 12:51 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Your flowers can be collected after the season officially ends.
I don't need the end of the season to know that a 21 y/o elite defender will end up having a solid career.
I actually didn't even need the offseason.
I don't need flowers. Being told you are right by low IQ people never moved the needle for me.
This post was edited on 11/13/24 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 11/13/24 at 12:52 pm to Dantheman504
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I don't need flowers. Being told you were right by low IQ people never moved the needle for me.
Relax. It was just a joke. If we’re so low IQ according to you, then why are you coming on here to “Say I told you so!” Lol
This post was edited on 11/13/24 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 11/13/24 at 12:58 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Relax. It was just a joke. If we’re so low IQ according to you
Woah I never said you specifically were low IQ.
I can't remember if you were in on those arguments. If you were then yeah my comment stands.
I don't argue with the idiots "to be right" I argue with the hope they can process/ understand.
Half of this board couldn't process the impact of an 18 y/o ELITE DEFENDER.
This post was edited on 11/13/24 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 11/13/24 at 1:02 pm to Dantheman504
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Woah I never said you specifically were low IQ.
Ok I honestly didn’t mean anything by it. Dysons play with the Hawks has surprised me myself but its been 11 games. All I meant was lets see how he is after the season ends.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 1:13 pm to Pels_Yaz
Whats scary is what hes doing offensively. I had no idea he could do that. Still a long season though but if this continues hes much better than Herb and pels may have traded the wrong defender. And I love Herb.
Actually you should have shipped CJ instead.
Actually you should have shipped CJ instead.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 1:29 pm to shel311
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He's been legitimately awful at offense this season, fwiw.
I don't understand what people are seeing with Dyson this year. His offense still hasn't been good at all. His usage rate has gone up hence the increase in PPG, but his advanced stats have gone down since last year.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 1:34 pm to TheLegend
You’re not seeing the types of shots he is scoring. I never saw him utilize that type of touch as a Pel. He’s only going to get better, and even if you want to scream efficiency efficiency. I think he makes up for it when he’s the league leader in passes deflected and gets nearly 3 steals a game.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 2:34 pm to Dantheman504
quote:Especially when you've yet to be proven right.
Being told you are right by low IQ people never moved the needle for me.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 2:35 pm to jonjonsmith
quote:He's been awful on offense, what are some of you watching?
Whats scary is what hes doing offensively
Posted on 11/13/24 at 2:41 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:+1 Net Rating. That can easily move in 1 good or bad game.
Alright Im not contesting your numbers. But his higher usage even though not as efficient on offense has made them a better overall team with him in the lineup and helping them win games. Would you agree to that?
They're basically bad when he plays and just a little more bad when he doesn't. And sample size, I don't think there's much to say he's made them better.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 2:53 pm to shel311
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+1 Net Rating. That can easily move in 1 good or bad game. They're basically bad when he plays and just a little more bad when he doesn't. And sample size, I don't think there's much to say he's made them better.
So you’re saying despite his individual defense stats being off the charts, higher usage with higher point production and the fact hes making game impacting plays- he doesn’t really matter to the Hawks in terms of winning?
I get net rating and numbers but I gotta disagree with you here. I mean watching Dyson play with the Hawks you haven’t noticed him impact the game in any different way that helps the Hawks win? You honestly believe whether Dyson plays or not it doesn’t affect the Hawks in regards to winning?
Again I’m saying looking and watching games hes played not looking strictly at box scores and numbers. And if you don’t thats fine. But I find that hard to believe considering some of the plays hes made this season.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 3:17 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:The team is better on defense when he's on court.
So you’re saying despite his individual defense stats being off the charts, higher usage with higher point production and the fact hes making game impacting plays- he doesn’t really matter to the Hawks in terms of winning?
The team is worst on defense when he's off the court.
Also, you insinuated "higher point production" makes a team better. Higher usage and more shots per game at a very, very inefficient clip is bad for an offense.
quote:Again, helping on defense, hurting on offense. The data and the eye test tell you both of those things.
I get net rating and numbers but I gotta disagree with you here. I mean watching Dyson play with the Hawks you haven’t noticed him impact the game in any different way that helps the Hawks win? You honestly believe whether Dyson plays or not it doesn’t affect the Hawks in regards to winning?
Some folks here and in the media are being prisoner of the moment over 1 performance, but for the season, he's been a massive liability on offense, just like he was for us. The fact that his usage rate is up actually just hurts the offense more than his lower usage was hurting us.
quote:You are what you do consistently.
But I find that hard to believe considering some of the plays hes made this season.
Trey Jemison has a 24 point game this calendar year.
Nowell scored 30 points in 29 minutes last season.
If we're doing the 1 game logic that automatically means Dyson is having a positive impact on the offense, you should be clamoring to get those 2 dudes above in the lineup because they're very much going to be good for us because that 1 time they had an awesome game.
NBA players are all awesome, they're all capable of having an awesome game. All that matters is what you can do consistently, the rest is noise.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 3:28 pm to shel311
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If we're doing the 1 game logic that automatically means Dyson is having a positive impact on the offense, you should be clamoring to get those 2 dudes above in the lineup because they're very much going to be good for us because that 1 time they had an awesome game. NBA players are all awesome, they're all capable of having an awesome game. All that matters is what you can do consistently, the rest is noise
He had a great game yesterday but I personally wasn’t just referencing this one game when analyzing him this season. I think hes played well in several games this season that Ive watched. I don’t think anyone is basing how Dyson has looked off that one game only- if they are then yes a Trey Jamison and Nowell example is appropriate.
I agree in regards to consistency and thats why I kept saying it’ll be interesting to see how he looks at the end of the season. In the games Ive watched and seen though, I feel there is a difference in his play but might be best to wait until after the season to get a better idea how much or if at all he’s improved.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 3:58 pm to spaghettioeauxs
quote:That was the problem here though. He is showing that he is better off the ball and not having the pressure of being a lead guard. He was forced to be a PG here and that does not appear to be his best role. He is not a facilitator and his handles are average at best.
I think I remember calling you a fellow scholar in that thread. I was getting plumetted with downvotes. I thought Dyson should have been the PG of the future.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 4:01 pm to shel311
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The team is better on defense when he's on court.
The team is worst on defense when he's off the court.
This is quite the argument you're making, shel. To be clear, the alternative that you are comparing him to is a bunch of d-leaguers.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 4:19 pm to NOSHAU
Yea he isn't a true PG. He's more of a connector type. Atlanta isn't forcing him into a PG either. They started a PG next to him. He's at his best as a secondary ball handler.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 4:40 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:It's a fact, it's literally what has occurred thus far this season.
This is quite the argument you're making, shel
I don't follow what you're taking exception with.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 4:50 pm to tunechi
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Kind of lame to post that with Dejounte injured and not having shown what he can bring to the team.
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