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re: This Draft . . . Our Pick and the Trade

Posted on 5/20/13 at 9:32 am to
Posted by 42
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Posted on 5/20/13 at 9:32 am to
A winning record in the post-Paul era would help show that it is indeed a new era to the few watching.
Posted by Suntiger
STG or BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
36237 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:15 am to
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With this team's current position, its cap space and potential flexibility, making a giant leap forward this next season and making wise, long term moves are not mutually exclusive, imo. No one wants management to do something foolish, and I don't think it will.


I agree, but I don't think we need to spend cap money just because we have it. Sign the right guys at the right positions. Like I said, Webster is an instant upgrade this year and makes us a competitive team IMO.

But I don't think our guys like Rivers and Austin will be in position to make title runs in the next year or two. Especially if we take a center with our pick this year.

I just don't want to go too fast and get stuck with a bunch of underperforming supporting players and have AD leave, a la LBJ, Howard, CP3 & Carmelo.
Lets get legit guys who make leaving less of an option, a la Durant/Westbrook, George/Hibbert, Rose/Boozer/Noah/Deng.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130611 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:16 am to
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We've sucked for several years now.


I only consider this year 2 of the rebuild. The clock started for me with Anthony Davis.

I do want to win now, but I also understand that team building the right way is a process. I want them to make the RIGHT moves. I don't want them to make moves to make moves. I do have patience. I expect to be in the 30s in wins this year and in make a much larger jump the following year.

Again, I want to win now, but I also don't want to get Posey'd.
Posted by Suntiger
STG or BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:21 am to
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We've sucked for several years now.

I only consider this year 2 of the rebuild. The clock started for me with Anthony Davis.


+1

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I do want to win now, but I also understand that team building the right way is a process. I want them to make the RIGHT moves. I don't want them to make moves to make moves. I do have patience. I expect to be in the 30s in wins this year and in make a much larger jump the following year.

Again, I want to win now, but I also don't want to get Posey'd.


This x 1,000!
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130611 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:25 am to
I also think this is kind of a bad offseason to have money and a pick.

This draft isn't great, first of all (although its not as bad as people make it out to be).

Second, I don't see this FA crop as being great either. Dwight and CP are not options for us. After that...meh.

Of the "reasonable gets"...Martell Webster is who I want to add. Other than that, I don't see a whole lot of homeruns or value.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13773 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:28 am to
I agree. I would not want the team to invest heavily in free agency this season just to burden us with bad contracts for average players.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:28 am to
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I don't see a whole lot of homeruns or value.


Gyno has brought up Andre Blatche and I think he's just the kind of reclamation project to take a flyer on. He's big enough to play Center and protect AD, has some decent talent, and seems to be less of a knucklehead now that he's been humbled.
Posted by That's BS
Smoothie King Center
Member since Jan 2012
1785 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:29 am to
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A winning record in the post-Paul era would help show that it is indeed a new era to the few watching.


But what if the post-Paul era includes Paul again?


















It could happen.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130611 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:34 am to
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Gyno has brought up Andre Blatche and I think he's just the kind of reclamation project to take a flyer on. He's big enough to play Center and protect AD, has some decent talent, and seems to be less of a knucklehead now that he's been humbled.




I haven't followed him at all this year, so I can't comment on him not still being a knucklehead. I know he has been a GIANT one in the past.

But looking at his stats: he did have the best PER, WS, and Per 36 of his career in most categories. Granted, he was playing on a good team backing up a very good Center, with a lot of players surrounding him.

But Blatche is pretty intriguing at a very low price. How much are you thinking?
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
104492 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:36 am to
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Gyno has brought up Andre Blatche and I think he's just the kind of reclamation project to take a flyer on.


I'd be willing to think about him but it depends on our roster come the start of free agency.

If we don't draft a center and decide not to make a run at Pekovic, I can see bringing in Blatche to backstop Lopez and Smith.
Posted by WB504
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
6140 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:39 am to
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But Blatche is pretty intriguing at a very low price. How much are you thinking?


He should be relatively cheap like 1-2 mil a year because he's getting paid 7.7 mil from the wizards next year.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130611 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:39 am to
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He should be relatively cheap like 1-2 mil a year because he's getting paid 7.7 mil from the wizards next year.


That would be worth it.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:43 am to
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But Blatche is pretty intriguing at a very low price. How much are you thinking?


Hopefully you can get him cheap, but if there was a lot of interest in him I'd go up high enough to outbid the MLE, say $6 million per. But whether you get him for $2 or $6 million everything after the 1st year is a team option. If he works out $6 million per for a 22 mpg center next to AD is a fair price, and if he doesn't work out it's not like you gave up making a run at someone better to get him because he obviously wouldn't be at the top of the list of FAs for any team except maybe the Nets who can't pay him much.
This post was edited on 5/20/13 at 10:45 am
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130611 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:46 am to
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say $6 million per.


Ug...no.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:49 am to
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As far as winning is concerned, I've read lecture after lecture on this board from those who keep repeating the mantra of (essentially) having the patience to lose now and wait for it to pay off later. fricking when? We've sucked for several years now. We hit gold in the lottery last year and we'll have a decent pick this year whether we use it of trade it. At some point, the franchise has to suck it up and put the best team possible on the court for the upcoming season. The Pelicans need to make some moves now. I'm not saying they are ready to contend for a title, but they are definitely in a position to make some noise this next season.


I don't think a good season (around .500) is out of the question next season w/o a big move. This team can compete offensively, it's the defense that was atrocious. That takes time, but there should be a natural progression with so many young guys still learning. Add some reasonable upgrades to the perimeter and I don't see how the defense isn't better.

This from Ziller talks about how much cheaper it is to be a good defensive team

LINK

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There are a number of interesting notes about the NBA's four conference finals participants including ... Three represent traditional small markets, or at least cities considered to be in the small market coalition. (San Antonio is top 10 in the United States in population, but its media market is ranked much lower.) The teams finished Nos. 1, 2, 3 and 7 in team defense over the regular season. They were Nos. 2, 7, 17 and 20 in offense. Three of the teams were outside the top 10 in payroll this season. (I'll let you guess which one was the exception.) The teams ranked Nos. 4, 12, 22 and 25 in payroll, per HoopsHype.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:54 am to
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Ug...no.


1 - That's after you've made your big runs at Jennings/Pekovic etc.
2 - That's only if there is actual demand from playoff teams willing to give him their full MLE. Unless a playoff team really wants him I'd expect his salary range to be closer to $2 - $4 million.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130611 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:59 am to
Dude has been a shitshow (mentally) his entire career and had one "good" year last year playing 19 minutes a game. I sure as shite wouldn't want to take a chance on 6 mill per.

The team option would protect us a great deal, but I don't know how realistic that is.

Are we moving Lopez in this scenario? Or do we have Lopez and Blatche?
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 11:09 am to
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I don't know how realistic that is.


Smith and Lopez both did it. Look how many players got 2 year deals with the 2nd year being a player option. Teams just aren't handing out long term deals to everyone anymore. OJ Mayo only got about $8 million guaranteed and he was much less of a risk than Blatch would be. And considering Blatch's history I don't think teams will be quick to hand out player options to him.

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Are we moving Lopez in this scenario?


Not much point in going after Blatch if you keep Lopez.
Posted by Suntiger
STG or BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
36237 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 12:29 pm to
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I also think this is kind of a bad offseason to have money and a pick.


agreed

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Second, I don't see this FA crop as being great either. Dwight and CP are not options for us. After that...meh.


agreed

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Of the "reasonable gets"...Martell Webster is who I want to add. Other than that, I don't see a whole lot of homeruns or value.


agreed
Posted by VOR
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
69015 posts
Posted on 5/20/13 at 1:16 pm to
For the record I don't want to make any rash decisions (I remember Posey all too well) and I agree the FA crop is not spectacular. But I do believe with improvement from our young guys, a slick trade and smart signings (not necessarily in tha order) this team can have much improved record next year.
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