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re: The Ty Lue potential Head Coach Thread
Posted on 10/4/20 at 9:45 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 10/4/20 at 9:45 am to TigerinATL
After watching this playoffs I can’t say I fully agree. Though I do agree with most of what you say.
But Boston, Miami, and LAL all really demonstrated the power of smart, good defensive scheming and execution.
And defense was really what set GS apart from just another run and gun team like Houston. They could drop 120 and hold you to under 100.
I agree though you have to have the personnel to execute certain ways of playing. Gentry seemed to want it all, hard, fast, smart, everything. Even though he didn’t have the players or the disciplined coaching to execute it. So I don’t fully blame Lue for having poor defenses, but I do think he is someone that isn’t going to come in and drastically change that side of the ball.
My guess is he would execute a more consistent version of what we already have, frustrations and all. And honestly, our defense may be worse.
But Boston, Miami, and LAL all really demonstrated the power of smart, good defensive scheming and execution.
And defense was really what set GS apart from just another run and gun team like Houston. They could drop 120 and hold you to under 100.
I agree though you have to have the personnel to execute certain ways of playing. Gentry seemed to want it all, hard, fast, smart, everything. Even though he didn’t have the players or the disciplined coaching to execute it. So I don’t fully blame Lue for having poor defenses, but I do think he is someone that isn’t going to come in and drastically change that side of the ball.
My guess is he would execute a more consistent version of what we already have, frustrations and all. And honestly, our defense may be worse.
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Posted on 10/4/20 at 10:32 am to Bronc
This could also be contributed to having an older roster and flat footing it throughout the regular season.
In the playoffs when they actually started playing, their defense got ALOT stiffer.
In the playoffs when they actually started playing, their defense got ALOT stiffer.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 4:20 pm to TigerinATL
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I think defensive coaching is way overrated. Thibs couldn't make KAT and Wiggins play defense in Minnesota even after he brought in his veteran leadership from Chicago.
I'd argue coaching in general is way overrated. You can get guys to play a certain way: hard, smart, fast. But you have to have the personnel to match and I think the more you muddy the team identity (we want to play hard AND smart AND fast), the harder it becomes to execute.
For sure. Step one, acquire talent. Step two, allow coach to instill a culture
Even though he’s praised for Xs and Os, the big appeal of Lue to me is, he knows culture and winning. Been around Jordan, Kobe, Lebron. He’s been praised by a bunch of intelligent NBA vets. Endorsed by coaches like Phil and Doc Rivers. Guys that’s know what winning looks like. Of course message board guy will argue that
Posted on 10/4/20 at 10:29 pm to GynoSandberg
Odd that he interviewed and the local media has been almost silent on it.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 10:34 pm to NOSHAU
He interviewed that friday and left that evening for Vegas to meet with the Rockets and then the Clippers. It has been quiet for every team he met with this weekend. I guess we gotta wait and see.
Posted on 10/4/20 at 11:57 pm to Fun Bunch
I like spolestra as a head coach but why did he run that shitty zone ALL game 2.
Posted on 10/5/20 at 1:09 am to GynoSandberg
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Even though he’s praised for Xs and Os, the big appeal of Lue to me is, he knows culture and winning. Been around Jordan, Kobe, Lebron. He’s been praised by a bunch of intelligent NBA vets. Endorsed by coaches like Phil and Doc Rivers. Guys that’s know what winning looks like. Of course message board guy will argue that
All of that could have been said about Gentry. Or Kurt Rambis. Or Jim Cleamons.
Make a stronger argument
This post was edited on 10/5/20 at 1:12 am
Posted on 10/5/20 at 5:31 pm to Bronc
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All of that could have been said about Gentry. Or Kurt Rambis. Or Jim Cleamons.
Make a stronger argument
At what point in their career were they 43 year old prospective HCs with career 61% winning percentages, three finals appearances and a NBA title? They got their chances off reputation and winning but crashed and burned miserably
If you think team defensive stats are more important than winning and the opinion of actually players/coaches/FO personnel, I’m not sure I can ever satiate your need for a stronger argument
Posted on 10/6/20 at 11:00 am to GynoSandberg
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Marc Stein @TheSteinLine 1h
Tyronn Lue has completed sitdowns with the Clippers and the Pelicans about their coaching openings ... and Lue's interview for the Rockets' coaching vacancy, league sources say, will now take place this week after it was moved from the weekend
Posted on 10/6/20 at 11:01 am to TigerinATL
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and Lue's interview for the Rockets' coaching vacancy, league sources say, will now take place this week after it was moved from the weekend
Hmmm Wonder why it was moved?
It sounds to me also like he didn't get offers from either club? Or he's going to wait and take his time?
It would be REALLY nice to hear about the Pelicans doing 1-2 other interviews at the same time this is all going on.2
Posted on 10/6/20 at 2:13 pm to Fun Bunch
What does everyone think Lue would do with Jrue assuming Jrue is still on the roster to start the season? Does he put Jrue at point, or keep him off the ball?
This post was edited on 10/6/20 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 10/6/20 at 2:13 pm to Fun Bunch
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Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn 5m
Golden State assistant Mike Brown had a head coaching interview with Clippers in recent days, sources tell ESPN. Clippers are meeting with multiple candidates. Assistant Ty Lue is still in a strong position there, per sources.
"still in a strong position there"? Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but this reads weird to me for Woj. It doesn't sound like news breaker Woj, that sounds like "I owe his agent" Woj.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 2:17 pm to TigerinATL
Woj has been known to do that.
It could just mean that barring anyone else blowing them away, or some crazy out of nowhere candidate, Lue is their guy. They just want to do their due diligence.
Who knows. I'd just like them to make their decision so we can get on with it (and be reactionary, instead of proactive...again.).
It could just mean that barring anyone else blowing them away, or some crazy out of nowhere candidate, Lue is their guy. They just want to do their due diligence.
Who knows. I'd just like them to make their decision so we can get on with it (and be reactionary, instead of proactive...again.).
Posted on 10/6/20 at 2:17 pm to HickfawJim1
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Does he put Jrue at point, or keep him off the ball?
The reason Jrue isn't a superstar is because when the defense stiffens his handle isn't good enough and he's also not that good at creating something out of nothing for himself or others. Jrue at point is fine for much of the game, but not when the defense is trying to shut him down. Unfortunately it's more of a personnel issue than a scheme issue. They'd either need to bring in another guard that can do some of the things Jrue can't. Or Ingram/Zion would need to step up and become that guy.
This post was edited on 10/6/20 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 10/6/20 at 2:18 pm to TigerinATL
Based on how Ballmer reacted to end the season with the Clippers, I just don’t see him hiring anyone from his current staff. Dude was ready to clean house.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 4:22 pm to TigerinATL
quote:Starting to wonder whether Lue is a strong candidate for Clippers at all. Woj may be helping Lue leverage Pels and/or Rockets for a larger contract.
"still in a strong position there"? Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but this reads weird to me for Woj. It doesn't sound like news breaker Woj, that sounds like "I owe his agent" Woj.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 11:24 pm to GynoSandberg
All on a team with LeBron
I think ty lue will be fine as a coach
Pelicans need a coach who can make in game adjustments and teach young players
I think ty lue will be fine as a coach
Pelicans need a coach who can make in game adjustments and teach young players
Posted on 10/7/20 at 6:19 pm to Chalkywhite84
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Marc J. Spears @MarcJSpears 1h
Sources: Nuggets assistant Wes Unseld, Jr., interviewed today for Rockets head coach job. Minny asst. David Vanterpool next. Mavs asst Stephen Silas & ex-Nets HC Ken Atkinson have interviewed. Clippers asst Tyronn Lue, ex-Rockets HC Jeff Van Gundy & Rockets asst John Lucas TBD.
Rockets assistant coach John Lucas, who is local, is expected to be interviewed last. The former NBA head coach has a strong relationship with star James Harden.
Why did Lue go from scheduled to interview with Houston this past weekend to sometime this week to TBD? Is hurricane Delta messing up their scheduling?
Posted on 10/7/20 at 6:33 pm to TigerinATL
Do we really think these candidates will be able leverage jobs for more money? There are only a few openings and it appears most of these coaches are held in similar regard in NBA circles. Rivers came out quick and handpicked his job as the top tier candidate. The rest? Meh, don’t really see it
Posted on 10/7/20 at 6:46 pm to GynoSandberg
You would think the effect would be minimal but never put anything past an agent, and Lue seems to have been in for every job. If you’re a perceived hot commodity you try and see what you can leverage.
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