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re: The Roster is pretty much set for next season
Posted on 7/24/23 at 12:08 pm to Solo
Posted on 7/24/23 at 12:08 pm to Solo
Not really. He's not going to be a monster rebounder or anything like that. But if you paid attention to him in the summer league, he actually blocks out and actually tries to keep opposing players from crashing the offensive glass. He'll probably give you what Nance gives you on the boards.
The real issue we ran into when Zion got injured was the inability to keep opposing players from crashing the glass with poor box outs and opposing players were just beating them to the spot with no resistance.
Rebounding isn't just about grabbing the ball, there are nuances don't show up on the stat sheet.
The real issue we ran into when Zion got injured was the inability to keep opposing players from crashing the glass with poor box outs and opposing players were just beating them to the spot with no resistance.
Rebounding isn't just about grabbing the ball, there are nuances don't show up on the stat sheet.
This post was edited on 7/24/23 at 12:12 pm
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Posted on 7/24/23 at 1:09 pm to supe12sta12z
CSB but I ran into Garrett Temple at Am-Mart today
Posted on 7/24/23 at 1:09 pm to supe12sta12z
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The real issue we ran into when Zion got injured was the inability to keep opposing players from crashing the glass with poor box outs and opposing players were just beating them to the spot with no resistance. Rebounding isn't just about grabbing the ball, there are nuances don't show up on the stat sheet.
Bingo. Replace Hayes, an aging/injured Nance & skinny guys trying to play the 4 with an actual power forward and the Pels are a top 6 team with or without Zion.
Posted on 7/24/23 at 1:10 pm to dirtytigers
For the love of Christ, find a way to add a backup PF. We have the least reliable PF in the league and have not had a true backup 4 in years. It’s mind numbing.
Posted on 7/24/23 at 5:41 pm to PELsu
Knowing nothing about him, is this something than Karlo Matkovic can be expected to do, at least behind Nance?
And is he (Karlo) going to be here in the fall?
And is he (Karlo) going to be here in the fall?
Posted on 7/24/23 at 6:12 pm to Keys Open Doors
I think they said during SL he’s still got another year or two overseas.
Posted on 7/24/23 at 7:38 pm to PELsu
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For the love of Christ, find a way to add a backup PF. We have the least reliable PF in the league and have not had a true backup 4 in years. It’s mind numbing.
If BI and Trey have added weight this summer, then we don't need a backup PF.
Posted on 7/24/23 at 7:43 pm to GOP_Tiger
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For the love of Christ, find a way to add a backup PF
Zion/ Nance/ Liddell/ Trey/ BI/ Herb
Is the most depth we’ve had in a long time.
Any team is going to be rough at PF when options 1 and 3 are out for the whole year from the start. (And option 2 is also splitting time at center)
This post was edited on 7/24/23 at 7:45 pm
Posted on 7/24/23 at 10:41 pm to GOP_Tiger
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If BI and Trey have added weight this summer, then we don't need a backup PF.
Except that it’s not their natural position, they lack the strength for it and the lack of a true substitute for Zion (unlike the substitute for BI, which is Trey) has seriously hampered this team for 4 years.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 7:46 am to Dantheman504
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Zion/ Nance/ Liddell/ Trey/ BI/ Herb Is the most depth we’ve had in a long time.
Unfortunately only 2 of them (Zion/Liddell) actually are PFs…Nance could play some 4, but at this point he pretty clearly will only play the small ball 5 for the Pels, and Trey/BI/Herb are all 2/3s that have just been stuck at the 4 as a battle field promotion because no one else was available, and they struggled at it.
Maybe gaining some mass helps those last 3 hold up better, but none of them are known for their rebounding or banging/interior defense.
Basically the front office is running it back with very little changing. If the Pels are healthy then we will likely be very happy with the result, I just would’ve liked to see us add a flyer on a floor spacing 4/5 rather than relying completely on Liddell and better front line health.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 8:15 am to BamaPelican
Right unfortunately only (2 of those are PFs) and last year we had (0) of those 2 available.
Even having 1 of them available every game is a big upgrade.
We don’t need 8 backup PFs in fear that 7 of them will get hurt bruh.
Even having 1 of them available every game is a big upgrade.
We don’t need 8 backup PFs in fear that 7 of them will get hurt bruh.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 8:17 am to Dantheman504
And 3 of those are PF’s. One is just labeled as an undersized Center when in reality he should be our 2nd PF and 3rd center.
Nance isn’t a center. He’s an athletic PF that is a great defender. Doesn’t make him a center he’s just (capable) of playing the role. Draymond Green isn’t a center, he is capable of playing center because of his defense and aggression
Saying Nance is capable of handling center roles and “Nance is a center” are very different.
Nance isn’t a center. He’s an athletic PF that is a great defender. Doesn’t make him a center he’s just (capable) of playing the role. Draymond Green isn’t a center, he is capable of playing center because of his defense and aggression
Saying Nance is capable of handling center roles and “Nance is a center” are very different.
This post was edited on 7/25/23 at 8:20 am
Posted on 7/25/23 at 8:21 am to BamaPelican
As said above, Treye and Herb are not PF’s, particularly with their lack of rebounding and rim protection. Nance has been exclusively our backup 5. And I really hope everyone realizes that EJ is a 6’6 second round pick going into his first season and coming off an ACL tear. He is not a part of this discussion.
This is not an “if” Zion misses games. Injuries will happen. The problem is we lose 15 straight games every year when we have an injury. And a major part of that is simple things like not having a second PF on the roster. For YEARS now. We had to start Jaxon freaking Hayes in the playoffs…..two years ago. This is negligence if they don’t at least address this issue, and it will be an issue.
This is not an “if” Zion misses games. Injuries will happen. The problem is we lose 15 straight games every year when we have an injury. And a major part of that is simple things like not having a second PF on the roster. For YEARS now. We had to start Jaxon freaking Hayes in the playoffs…..two years ago. This is negligence if they don’t at least address this issue, and it will be an issue.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 8:24 am to Dantheman504
Nance is a center(5) because he plays center(5). That’s all he’s played here and what he will play here this season.
Besides that, your offense would be really really rough if you ever did put Nance next to a center.
Besides that, your offense would be really really rough if you ever did put Nance next to a center.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 8:27 am to PELsu
Herb was a 6’7 2nd rd pick. He wasn’t part of the discussion?
For people to say “we need more depth at PF” and then say “Liddelll isn’t in the discussion for rotation” is pretty damn stupid.
He isn’t a 19y/o. He has very high IQ and was drafted for his defense. He was literally drafted to be our backup PF last year.
For people to say “we need more depth at PF” and then say “Liddelll isn’t in the discussion for rotation” is pretty damn stupid.
He isn’t a 19y/o. He has very high IQ and was drafted for his defense. He was literally drafted to be our backup PF last year.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 8:29 am to PELsu
So let me get this straight… Nance is a (5) and can’t play next to a center.
BI and Herb are not 4’s
But Liddell isn’t in any PF discussion?
BI and Herb are not 4’s
But Liddell isn’t in any PF discussion?
Posted on 7/25/23 at 8:47 am to Dantheman504
Yes, correct. EJ isn’t in any 2023/2024 positive contributing discussions. When Zion misses games this season, if your response is to play EJ at the 4, don’t be surprised when we have another massive losing streak.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 11:24 am to PELsu
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Yes, correct. EJ isn’t in any 2023/2024 positive contributing discussions. When Zion misses games this season, if your response is to play EJ at the 4
“We need PF depth we had 0 last year”
“If our PF gets hurt and we play our PF then we are doomed”
So stupid
Posted on 7/25/23 at 11:31 am to PELsu
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if your response is to play EJ at the 4, don’t be surprised when we have another massive losing streak.
EJ is the type of player they've found success with so I wouldn't rule him out. But he's essentially a rookie so if he does work out it won't be until the back half of the season. To start the year they need a better answer and that is probably why we heard our name attached to Rudy Gay.
Temple would have come back on a minimum deal after being cut if the team wanted him back. Looking to fill his roster spot with a vet min back up PF seems like the move to make.
Posted on 7/25/23 at 1:36 pm to PELsu
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EJ at the 4, don’t be surprised when we have another massive losing streak
If any rookie playing 10-15 minutes a game causes us “massive losing streaks” then we have a lot bigger issues going on.
You are acting like Liddell is some unproven trashcan coming here to be our #1 facilitator.
In reality he will play 5-10 min focusing on defense and passing to Trey Murphy so that Zion, Nance, etcc can rest and not risk injury.
But yes we are now doomed for eternity and still need to add 5 PFs to make this work.
People just want to bitch, cry, and find something to be upset about before we even see what happens. It’s sad and miserable.
This post was edited on 7/25/23 at 1:39 pm
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