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re: The rest of the games Game Thread 2024-2025
Posted on 3/5/25 at 2:15 am to spaghettioeauxs
Posted on 3/5/25 at 2:15 am to spaghettioeauxs
Jaren Jackson is a DPOY and improved scorer
Jalen Johnson looks to be a budding young star (albeit being injured at the moment)
Obviously, you want more on top in the package whether its picks or young talent. Both of those teams have those things. And would still have good talent and elite PG’s to pair w Z.
But I don’t think you can trade Zion for like a Cade Cunningham or Ant Edwards or anything like that.
It’s going to be a tier below talent wise, but maybe healthier type player to a team that feels stuck at a certain level and wants to gamble on pairing Z w another star.
Like I hesitated to even throw Sengun out there, but maybe Houston would do something drastic if their playoff run doesn’t work out as expected this season and they just decide to go all in on extreme athletes.
Jalen Johnson looks to be a budding young star (albeit being injured at the moment)
Obviously, you want more on top in the package whether its picks or young talent. Both of those teams have those things. And would still have good talent and elite PG’s to pair w Z.
But I don’t think you can trade Zion for like a Cade Cunningham or Ant Edwards or anything like that.
It’s going to be a tier below talent wise, but maybe healthier type player to a team that feels stuck at a certain level and wants to gamble on pairing Z w another star.
Like I hesitated to even throw Sengun out there, but maybe Houston would do something drastic if their playoff run doesn’t work out as expected this season and they just decide to go all in on extreme athletes.
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Posted on 3/5/25 at 2:27 am to 3PieceSpicy
I'd love to get my hands and Sengun, but I don't think the Rockets would deal him unless it was for a Luka-level deal. That may change after the playoffs this year depending on what happens and he is hurt a fair bit.
There's actually a Sengun-type center in this draft. Derik Queen of Maryland. I'd love to get him if we somehow pick up an extra later lottery pick or if we fall back in the draft out of the top five.
On Z, you can make the case that a smart-GM would use this value bump to reset the roster, especially if it ended up getting the Pels a second pick in the top-5 this year. I love how Z is playing, but at this point do you trust he can play a whole season, then 3-4 tough playoff series? That's 8+ months of basketball. I'm just not sure that's a good bet, especially as he ages...
There's actually a Sengun-type center in this draft. Derik Queen of Maryland. I'd love to get him if we somehow pick up an extra later lottery pick or if we fall back in the draft out of the top five.
On Z, you can make the case that a smart-GM would use this value bump to reset the roster, especially if it ended up getting the Pels a second pick in the top-5 this year. I love how Z is playing, but at this point do you trust he can play a whole season, then 3-4 tough playoff series? That's 8+ months of basketball. I'm just not sure that's a good bet, especially as he ages...
Posted on 3/5/25 at 7:57 am to 3PieceSpicy
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Honest question. Is this stretch enough to restore Z’s trade value to something we’d actually want and could help us games played wise and still keep a high level of ceiling if the rest of the roster is built out?
Good question. It’s hard to feel good about trading Zion when you watched him last night play like that. But you have to entertain trade packages simply because of the history. It just can’t be .50 on the dollar like you got for Ingram.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 9:19 am to spaghettioeauxs
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Brother said Jaren Jackson or Jalen Johnson package lmao. An elite role player is what you want for Zion? I’m glad you’re not calling the shots.
It would be nice to have someone that shows up to work ready. I know you've taken the role of Zion Superstan seriously, but a large portion of this fanbase is done with his bullshite. He has proven time and again that you absolutely cannot count on the guy.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 9:23 am to supe12sta12z
If we could get this version of Zion for a full season, with the right move or two we would be a playoff team easily.
He's looked and played the best of his career.
We just don't ever get it
He's looked and played the best of his career.
We just don't ever get it
Posted on 3/5/25 at 9:28 am to Fun Bunch
How has his defense looked? I see some nice stat lines from him but I haven’t watched a game in a long while
Posted on 3/5/25 at 9:33 am to Fun Bunch
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If we could get this version of Zion for a full season
Bunchy got jokes today.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 9:34 am to J_Hingle
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How has his defense looked? I see some nice stat lines from him but I haven’t watched a game in a long while
I haven't been watching full games to be fair, just seeing bits and pieces
I've seen some commentators saying he is doing well defensively
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:13 am to Fun Bunch
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I've seen some commentators saying he is doing well defensively
As a sadist who still watches every game, Zion is playing on the perimeter much more, and does a much better job of keeping small guards in front of him with his length.
It's also why his rebounding numbers aren't always double figures, he's making solid contests.
Still late to rotate sometimes but not nearly as bad as last year on defense.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:24 am to 3PieceSpicy
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Honest question. Is this stretch enough to restore Z’s trade value to something we’d actually want and could help us games played wise and still keep a high level of ceiling if the rest of the roster is built out?
Zion has got to go...just keep letting him basically score at will in these meaningless games...while no team really wants to go to the trouble of actually throwing up a defense to slow him down.
When/if... we ever play in a serious game with Zion in the future...rest assured he will be defended differently...and MUCH more effectively. I assume the Pels' fully understand this...and realize his true value is nowhere near what it appears at the moment. I just hope at least ONE other team actually believes Zion is one of the top players in the league...and will offer us a solid trade deal. I'm not optimistic we can find such a team...and I suggest we just take the best offer we can find. TIME TO MOVE ON !!
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:32 am to Dinky Mulberry
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just keep letting him basically score at will in these meaningless games...while no team really wants to go to the trouble of actually throwing up a defense to slow him down.
I think there is a lot of this going on, but a certain poster starts shitting all over the board any time someone criticizes Zion.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:35 am to whatiknowsofar
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Still late to rotate sometimes but not nearly as bad as last year on defense.
LeBonk hit 50k on a 3 where Zion sagged back to the paint then didn't close out on LeBonk. He's doing better, but there are still quite a few lapses.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:37 am to Dinky Mulberry
Charlotte can probably bid but I’m not sure how much they will pay.
Their own 2025 1st and the Mavs’ 2027 (top 2 protected) are the biggest draft assets.
They have some young players and they will have some shite expiring like Nurkic for salary matching.
Their own 2025 1st and the Mavs’ 2027 (top 2 protected) are the biggest draft assets.
They have some young players and they will have some shite expiring like Nurkic for salary matching.
This post was edited on 3/5/25 at 10:46 am
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:47 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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I think there is a lot of this going on, but a certain poster starts shitting all over the board any time someone criticizes Zion.
On trade value...if some folks want to say we got 50 cents on the dollar for BI...THAT is because the other 29 teams did NOT think BI was worth more than 50 cents on the dollar. If ANY team thought he was worth 70 cents on the dollar to them...I assume we could have gotten 70 cents on the dollar. We took the best offer we could find for BI...THIS AIN'T ROCKET SURGERY !!
We will eventually take the "best offer" we can find for Zion...I'd luv to get 80 cents on the dollar (whatever that is)...but I'm not optimistic. Bottom line...if we trade Zion...we will hopefully get whatever the highest amount one of the other 29 teams thinks he is worth. Once again...this should be fairly easy to understand.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:57 am to teke184
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Charlotte can probably bid but I’m not sure how much they will pay. Their own 2025 1st and the Mavs’ 2027 (top 2 protected) are the biggest draft assets. They have some young players and they will have some shite expiring like Nurkic for salary matching.
If we go the rebuild route with trading Zion this is probably your best option. Send him to a team that can’t stay healthy, are historically bad, and have good draft capital. But I’d want Brandon Miller as well as really good multiple picks
Zion is playing at an elite level. Teams will still want him. He played all of last season and should finish strong this season. If he gets a another big injury next year his value is toast
This post was edited on 3/5/25 at 10:59 am
Posted on 3/5/25 at 11:03 am to Macintosh
Hence why I mention Charlotte.
A high 2025 pick plus a 2027 Mavericks pick are about as good as you can get in one trade right now given that Charlotte is bad this year and the Mavs are a clusterfrick due to the AD and Kyrie injuries messing with long term plans.
First hit on Tankathon I got had Charlotte at 1 and us at 2.
Theoretically if we get the top two picks in this draft, that is a solid base for a turnaround.
A high 2025 pick plus a 2027 Mavericks pick are about as good as you can get in one trade right now given that Charlotte is bad this year and the Mavs are a clusterfrick due to the AD and Kyrie injuries messing with long term plans.
First hit on Tankathon I got had Charlotte at 1 and us at 2.
Theoretically if we get the top two picks in this draft, that is a solid base for a turnaround.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 11:03 am to Macintosh
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If we go the rebuild route with trading Zion this is probably your best option. Send him to a team that can’t stay healthy, are historically bad, and have good draft capital. But I’d want Brandon Miller as well as really good multiple picks
Miller...would be my FIRST choice in any realistic trade involving Zion.
This post was edited on 3/5/25 at 11:05 am
Posted on 3/5/25 at 11:20 am to teke184
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First hit on Tankathon I got had Charlotte at 1 and us at 2.
Charlotte may be retarded but they aren't this retarded. They will just pick Cooper Flag in this scenario.
At BEST they pick Cooper and offer some protected future picks for Zion
Posted on 3/5/25 at 11:29 am to Fun Bunch
I agree Charlotte isn’t trading #1 pick. But 2-4 I think they’d do it.
Posted on 3/5/25 at 11:32 am to Dinky Mulberry
lol. You guys really think our team is better off without Zion? We are better with him when he’s healthy and it’s crazy how you guys want to trade him for a role player like Brandon Miller. Thank God yall are fans and not the GM.
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