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re: The Pelicans will NOT be an apron team.
Posted on 6/27/24 at 9:30 am to Mickey Goldmill
Posted on 6/27/24 at 9:30 am to Mickey Goldmill
The supposed “least talented” title winner in 20 years was Detroit in 2004 and they still had Sheed, Billups, Ben Wallace, etc.
Next “least talented” team was the Mavs and they had Dirk, Chandler, Jason Kidd IIRC, etc.
Next “least talented” team was the Mavs and they had Dirk, Chandler, Jason Kidd IIRC, etc.
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Posted on 6/27/24 at 9:33 am to DallasTiger45
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But even if we didn’t care about any of that, we are like 21 million from the 1st apron counting Missi’s cap with 13 players under some form of contract. Since we’re not a cap space team basically any transaction would require us to shed a decent amount of current salary if we wanted to add a meaningful upgrade.
Was never expecting next season to be some championship defining year. In fact, im on record for saying we should take a step back and evaluate what we have (ie, Dyson, Hawk, whoever)
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We can easily make big moves without hitting the 1st apron in 2024-2025. Moving forward when Trey’s extension number of $25 to $30 million kicks in (God willing) the 1st apron becomes a much bigger decision point if CJ, Z, and BI/his replacement are all on the books at $30 million or more.
2025 Offseason was always going to be the point of inflection. Dig up the old Cap posts, we've all done that work already.
This post was edited on 6/27/24 at 9:34 am
Posted on 6/27/24 at 9:41 am to 50_Tiger
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Denver Paid and obv we all know how deep the Celtics are into the tax.
The bottom line is, unless you have the greatest shooting duo of all time pre max or Tim and Pop, you need to be a lux tax apron team to win a championship.
And you think that means the pels won't ever go into the 1st apron?
There isn't a.reason to yet.
Posted on 6/27/24 at 9:52 am to TigerinATL
quote:From what I understand (and Griff's statements seem to support it), Gayle has given the green light to go into the tax. It is Griff who is scared to do so. He knows that if he does it and fails, he loses his job. He therefore seems content to play it conservative. I think that is where " we need to get it right" comes form. He is in self-preservation mode.
People rip into Mrs. Benson all the time as if she's the one setting this direction. And maybe she is, but I suspect Lauscha is the one that seems to be prioritizing maximizing profits over maximizing winning while still being profitable.
Posted on 6/27/24 at 9:56 am to NOSHAU
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From what I understand (and Griff's statements seem to support it), Gayle has given the green light to go into the tax. It is Griff who is scared to do so. He knows that if he does it and fails, he loses his job. He therefore seems content to play it conservative. I think that is where " we need to get it right" comes form. He is in self-preservation mode.
That's exactly how I feel too. I don't fault him for it. If you are going into the tax for any small market team, you better get it right.
Posted on 6/27/24 at 9:59 am to 50_Tiger
quote:Calling others morons when it appears you do not understand the difference between the tax and the 1st apron. It is actually an improvement that Griff said we do not want to be an apron team. He did not say we do not want to be a tax team, To me, that means that we may consider being a tax team if needed The apron restricts certain transactions, so there are reasons not to be an apron team other than your assumption of being cheap.
My first instinct is to call you a moron but frick it lets teach the meaning behind that statement.
Title contention is not a goal.
Below quote is Lux Tax Paid for the last 20 NBA Champions
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2002/03 (San Antonio Spurs): $187,000 (16th highest tax amount paid of 16 taxpaying teams)
2003/04 (Detroit Pistons): $756,627 (12th of 12)
2005/06 (Miami Heat): $0
2006/07 (San Antonio Spurs): $196,082 (5th of 5)
2007/08 (Boston Celtics): $8,218,368 (6th of 8)
2008/09 (L.A. Lakers): $7,185,631 (5th of 7)
2009/10 (L.A. Lakers): $21,430,778 (1st of 11)
2010/11 (Dallas Mavericks): $18,917,836 (3rd of 7)
2011/12 (Miami Heat): $6,129,340 (3rd of 6)
2012/13 (Miami Heat): $13,346,242 (2nd of 6)
2013/14 (San Antonio Spurs): $0
2014/15 (Golden State Warriors): $0
2015/16 (Cleveland Cavaliers): $54,009,724 (1st of 7)
2016/17 (Golden State Warriors): $0
2017/18 (Golden State Warriors): $32,263,299 (2nd of 4)
2018/19 (Toronto Raptors): $25,190,963 (3rd of 5)
2019/20 (L.A. Lakers): $0
2020/21 (Milwaukee Bucks): $794,721 (7th of 7)
2021/22 (Golden State Warriors): $170,331,194 (1st of 7)
Denver Paid and obv we all know how deep the Celtics are into the tax.
The bottom line is, unless you have the greatest shooting duo of all time pre max or Tim and Pop, you need to be a lux tax apron team to win a championship.
Posted on 6/27/24 at 10:05 am to 50_Tiger
quote:It's basically generational talent, anything else are just extreme outliers.
No I think I clearly made the argument, you either have to find a generational talent or spend an innate amount of money to win a title.
Posted on 6/27/24 at 10:09 am to Colonel Flagg
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Small market team would need to be conference title contenders to even consider it.
doesnt' matter the size of the market, you wouldn't consider it unless you have a good team.
and with the new tv deal, the NBA is getting closer to how the NFL is in that there are no small markets anymore. Every team is making lots of money. Of course some have more than others, but the notion that some teams have to watch their finances a bit more b/c they are in a small market is anitquated. Every NBA team is capable of being very profitable with a good team going into the tax.
Posted on 6/27/24 at 10:09 am to 50_Tiger
quote:So it would be a good thing to NOT be an apron team if you're taking a step back...
Was never expecting next season to be some championship defining year. In fact, im on record for saying we should take a step back and evaluate what we have (ie, Dyson, Hawk, whoever)
Posted on 6/27/24 at 10:20 am to shel311
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So it would be a good thing to NOT be an apron team if you're taking a step back...
For this season YES. I will not argue that.
Posted on 6/27/24 at 10:20 am to NOSHAU
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so there are reasons not to be an apron team other than your assumption of being cheap.
Correct. The only teams that should even consider being apron teams are those that have their starting 5 perfected and just need to fill in the edges
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