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Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:08 pm to Pels_Yaz
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3 level scoring? I guess you forgot hes allergic to shooting 3s.
He's shot them before. He will shoot them again.
He shoots them better than Trae, too, FWIW.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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And what did Trae do in that time to overtake him?
Not shite the bed as bad as BI.
Im ok if you’re not a Trae fan but you’re making up stuff on BI that’s not true to falsely inflate his value.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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He's shot them before. He will shoot them again.
Oh you poor soul still hoping BI will magically want to shoot 3s again lol
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:09 pm to mhasen1
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Herb's salary and fit are vital to making Trae and Zion work.
If they want Trae and Zion to work, they need to keep Herb and get a defensive center.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
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He shoots them better than Trae, too, FWIW.
The fact you think shooting this on the ridiculous low volume that BI shoots v Trae high volume is a good argument is laughable.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
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They've tried to surround him with defensive wings and bigs...didn't work. They tried to get a primary ballhandler to let him work more off ball...he refused, and it didn't work
They added Murray b/c I think he was just the best talent available at the time that they could add. How stupid is it they add someone that plays his position. Anyone that knew anything about bball knew that wasn’t going to work out. And here we are. I’m not a super big Trae guy but we have the surrounding players to support his game. Add the acquisition costs if it’s low, and it’s a no brainer move.
This post was edited on 5/21/24 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:21 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Not shite the bed as bad as BI.
The Hawks didn't even make it out of the play-in, right? In the shitty arse East
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I imagine barbershops will argue Trae is better and more analytical-based people will say BI is better. They're both in the same tier with the same ceiling tier, though. BI has a much higher floor, though. BI can be competent in any system and still be efficient. Trae cannot. Trae also has much worse defense and lacks the physical ability to be a mediocre defender (too short, short arms, and no strength)
BI can be competent in any system except the Pels? Is that what you're saying because he sure as hell wasn't competent in ours.
I don't know that BI's defense is that much better than Trae's.
BI is the only three level score I know that only scores from one level - the inefficient one.
BI is the epitome of inefficient IMO. I'd rather Trae go 4-13 from 3 than BI 7-16 from 2. Because Trae will also get to the line and I guarantee we'll get a better shot at the end of games than BI getting stonewalled by Brooks, Dort, etc. and shooting some trash fadeaway.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:23 pm to Pels_Yaz
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The fact you think shooting this on the ridiculous low volume that BI shoots v Trae high volume is a good argument is laughable.
BI has shot in the 5-6/game range multiple years of his career and did just fine.
Trae shoots too many 3s. He shoots more than he's competent to shoot, which, again, is a major issue with him.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
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And what did Trae do in that time to overtake him?
More like what did BI do to not gain any ground.
- Shoots less 3s
- Proves he can't play within the offense
- Pouts
- Gets hurt again
- Wilts under any pressure
- Has one of the worst playoff series I've ever seen. Like embarrassingly bad.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:26 pm to Townedrunkard
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I’m fine with giving up BI and our first this year or one next year since we have two. But none of our young guys
I would be fine giving up Dyson and taking back Hunter and Capella, but I wouldn’t include picks. Framework for something I think we could pull off without having picks involved.
Hawks: Ingram, Dyson, Nance
Magic: CJ, Capella
Pels: Trae, Hunter, WCJ, Mo Wagner
Try to get Charlotte to bite on 21 for Nick Richards and take him into the Kira TPE. Throw the full MLE at Tyus Jones.
Trae/Tyus/Jose
Herb/Hawk/Ryan
Trey/Hunter
Zion/Karlo/EJ
WCJ/Richards/Wagner
We would be weak behind Zion, but we would have guys that could fill in at the 4 when needed
This post was edited on 5/21/24 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:27 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Hawks get BI, Cole Anthony, Naji, '25 & '27 Pels 1st
Magic get Garland
Cavs get CJ, Isaac, Dyson, '25 & '27 Magic 1st
Pels get Trae, Bogdanvich, Allen
I would even do this:
Hawks: BI, Cole Anthony, Dyson
Cavs: CJ, Isaac, Bogdan
Magic: Garland
Pels: Trae, Jarrett Allen
Fix the picks however they would need to be fixed. I think this is a bit more realistic as it gives the Cavs another win now piece with Bogdan, and give the Hawks a defensive wing that they could pair with Murray in the backcourt.
Leaves you with:
Trae/Jose
Herb/Hawkins
Trey/Naji
Zion/FA or pick
Allen/Larry
ETA: I still think the Cavs would be the least likely to do this, but I don't know what Garland's value will be.
This post was edited on 5/21/24 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
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And what did Trae do in that time to overtake him?
The question you should be asking yourself is what did Trae do to drop from 24 to 35? The only answer is that he got injured
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:31 pm to Epic Cajun
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The question you should be asking yourself is what did Trae do to drop from 24 to 35? The only answer is that he got injured
Did BI not get injured? Isn't his injury at the end of the year why everyone is saying the rankings should be re-done?
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:31 pm to ghost2most
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More like what did BI do to not gain any ground.
BI was already ahead of him
He didn't need to gain any ground to be ahead of him.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
I’m not sure why, but you keep comparing a legit number one option that has carried a team on his back. BI has wilted under the chances he’s had. You keep trying to compare an apple to a pear. Ones a legit first option, the other maybe, maybe a #2 in the right situation but in reality a #3 option. A good #3, but still a #3.
This post was edited on 5/21/24 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
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But, as for BI, 25/5/5 guys with good shooting and 3-level scoring are rare.
They're rare enough to not belong in this conversation.
BI is a 19/4/5 guy who plays 60 games a year.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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He didn't need to gain any ground to be ahead of him.
So he can’t lose ground when hes playing horrible?
Now you’re really outing yourself as a BI stans. Your arguments are out of control from a logic standpoint.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:36 pm to ghost2most
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Is that what you're saying because he sure as hell wasn't competent in ours.
21/5/6
49/35/80 shooting.
That's not competent, now?
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I don't know that BI's defense is that much better than Trae's.
BI isn't good at defense. He's 1st team all pro compared to Trae.
Trae is literally historically bad on defense. He's the worst defender in the NBA by far.
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Trae will also get to the line and I guarantee we'll get a better shot at the end of games
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and shooting some trash fadeaway.
You need to watch more Trae Young
He's the literal king of trash shots.
This Haws Reddit thread from right after the Snyder hire is hilarious in retrospect
They really had hope finally getting a real coach would fix Trae.
1 year later: Trae is on the trade block
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