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re: The Crunch is Coming -Shamit Dua
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:59 am to Honest Man
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:59 am to Honest Man
Finally...something to give me hope for our Pelicans. Put me down for moving BI asap...if it can get us Scoot.(And just to make sure I ALWAYS say something that seems to be incredibly stupid in every post...I'd even move BI to get Miller)
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:11 am to Dinky Mulberry
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Finally...something to give me hope for our Pelicans. Put me down for moving BI asap...if it can get us Scoot.(And just to make sure I ALWAYS say something that seems to be incredibly stupid in every post...I'd even move BI to get Miller)
Move a 33 year old CJ making 33mil a year
or
Move a 27 year old BI making 36mil a year (potentially even more come next extension)
If you move one, I think the answer is you gotta move the the old guy...
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:17 am to htran90
A couple of things has to happen before you can even consider moving BI.
Trey has to make another leap this season. Herb has to shoot it at a 38%+ clip. And Dyson has to show some consistency on offense especially shooting the ball. And everything hinges on Zion's health but we all know that.
If everything aligns, then that would be the only scenario to move him.
Trey has to make another leap this season. Herb has to shoot it at a 38%+ clip. And Dyson has to show some consistency on offense especially shooting the ball. And everything hinges on Zion's health but we all know that.
If everything aligns, then that would be the only scenario to move him.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:37 am to Balsamic_duck
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Giving CJ 32m was stupid and unnecessary. Admit it, dump him, and keep BI
Except for the part where CJ only gets us 25% of the return.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:43 am to htran90
So all of you wanting to trade BI for a draft pick are ok with basically restarting everything? Know that we aren't going to make the playoffs next year, and if we do, we'll get gentleman swept more than likely? and this all assumes Zion plays at least 60 games b/c we'll be bottom 5 in the league in the games he doesn't play, so if he misses 45 games, we'll probably win 15 of them at best.
Do you not believe that a Zion/BI core can win a championship? You think a Scoot/Zion core can in a few years?
Do you idiots realize that even if Scoot/Zion could win one, it wouldn't happen until Zion is on his 3rd contract, and Scoot is on his 2nd?
We haven't even seen what this team can do when healthy. BI is in his prime. Zion should be MVP level good the next few years, assuming he actually plays. CJ is a great 3rd option. We have enough young talent at the moment, and we're still getting more.
Trading away your best player simply to avoid the tax is the stupidest most George Shinn thing you could do. Try to win a championship NOW. We have the players to do it right now. I"m fine with Conley/Gasol/ZBo Grizzlies type run if that's the best they can accomplish. I"m not ok with being the Thunder for the foreseeable future.
We have two all stars and tons of young talent and draft picks, and you idiots want to be a young team that has no chance of winning shite for the next few years.
The move is not to trade BI if you don't think this team can win it. It's to trade CJ with your draft picks and/or young talent to get the current team to a championship level.
I seriously can't believe this stupid arse article and thread. Let's get worst right now, just to possibly avoid the tax in 3 fricking years.
Do you not believe that a Zion/BI core can win a championship? You think a Scoot/Zion core can in a few years?
Do you idiots realize that even if Scoot/Zion could win one, it wouldn't happen until Zion is on his 3rd contract, and Scoot is on his 2nd?
We haven't even seen what this team can do when healthy. BI is in his prime. Zion should be MVP level good the next few years, assuming he actually plays. CJ is a great 3rd option. We have enough young talent at the moment, and we're still getting more.
Trading away your best player simply to avoid the tax is the stupidest most George Shinn thing you could do. Try to win a championship NOW. We have the players to do it right now. I"m fine with Conley/Gasol/ZBo Grizzlies type run if that's the best they can accomplish. I"m not ok with being the Thunder for the foreseeable future.
We have two all stars and tons of young talent and draft picks, and you idiots want to be a young team that has no chance of winning shite for the next few years.
The move is not to trade BI if you don't think this team can win it. It's to trade CJ with your draft picks and/or young talent to get the current team to a championship level.
I seriously can't believe this stupid arse article and thread. Let's get worst right now, just to possibly avoid the tax in 3 fricking years.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:46 am to Sheep
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Except for the part where CJ only gets us 25% of the return.
For some young players who might be as good as BI one day? You have to try to win at some point. Scoot Henderson is an awesome prospect but rookies rarely contribute to winning and he’s not going to walk in and be immediately better than BI. So we sit around and wait another 2-3 years till he’s maybe as good as the player we traded?
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 11:47 am
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:51 am to Balsamic_duck
Everyone that wants to trade BI now is just going to want to do the same with Zion in 2-3 years when he’s up for a contract and there’s another hyped prospect in the draft. It’s a never ending cycle with these people. At some point you have to try to win. If you’re worried about the cap, trade the 32 yo making +$30m/yr.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:55 am to Macintosh
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Like when we’re healthy but without Zion, we’re still about a .500 team.
Because there’s a massive hole at the 4 with Zion being hurt and Hayes not being good.
A decent 4 with a healthy BI and supporting cast puts us in the playoffs.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:55 am to TeddyPadillac
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I seriously can't believe this stupid arse article and thread. Let's get worst right now, just to possibly avoid the tax in 3 fricking years.
It’s an MM thread, he’s an idiot.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:56 am to Sheep
quote:Now is not the time to gather young assets.
Except for the part where CJ only gets us 25% of the return.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:57 am to shel311
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Dame could net assets.
Possibly, but from whom? That's why I said there wasn't a market.
There aren't many places who can send the proper assets and who will take on that salary (at his age).
So many teams have made "all in" moves that there aren't many left who can. Lillard is also an extreme example b/c he's so old with SO MUCH insane money remaining over like 4 more years.
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 11:58 am
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:59 am to SlowFlowPro
All fair points.
I can't name a specific team but I'd say it only takes 1 team, and I'm fairly certain there would be at least 1 team.
I can't name a specific team but I'd say it only takes 1 team, and I'm fairly certain there would be at least 1 team.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 12:02 pm to Macintosh
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Im completely okay with keeping Bi but people do seem to fail to understand the sell high business perspective.
so are we running a business, or trying to win a championship?
I guess Boston should trade Tatum right now since that would fit the sell high business model.
Seriously, what kind of stupid arse thinking is this?
Yes it's a business, but if you're here to simply try to make money without any inclination of wanting to win, then you're in the wrong business.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 12:05 pm to shel311
Simmons and RR just went over it on their pod.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 12:10 pm to TeddyPadillac
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so are we running a business, or trying to win a championship? I guess Boston should trade Tatum right now since that would fit the sell high business model. Seriously, what kind of stupid arse thinking is this? Yes it's a business, but if you're here to simply try to make money without any inclination of wanting to win, then you're in the wrong business.
I really don’t understand these people’s thinking. I guess we should sell high on Trey now, we should have sold high on the #1 pick instead of selecting zion, and just keep selling high instead of trying to win basketball. Like yeah we can sell high on BI right now because he’s a good basketball player. You know what you need to win? Good basketball players
Posted on 6/6/23 at 12:15 pm to Balsamic_duck
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You know what you need to win? Good basketball players
Good basketball players who play. And we have two who don't. Which is, at a minimum, one too many.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 12:17 pm to shel311
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Now is not the time to gather young assets
I'm not advocating to get rid of either CJ or BI.
I'm just saying that if you move CJ, you're just getting "a guy" back.
If you move BI, you're AT LEAST getting back multiple assets that have value.
You're not getting shite for CJ, at this point.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 12:21 pm to Sheep
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I'm not advocating to get rid of either CJ or BI. I'm just saying that if you move CJ, you're just getting "a guy" back. If you move BI, you're AT LEAST getting back multiple assets that have value. You're not getting shite for CJ, at this point
If you move CJ you aren’t trying to get anything back. You’re doing it solely for the cap to resign herb, trey and BI.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 12:35 pm to Balsamic_duck
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If you move CJ you aren’t trying to get anything back. You’re doing it solely for the cap to resign herb, trey and BI.
Yes the "trade" is CJ for Herb, effectively
Posted on 6/6/23 at 12:36 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
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Because there’s a massive hole at the 4 with Zion being hurt and Hayes not being good. A decent 4 with a healthy BI and supporting cast puts us in the playoffs.
Kinda tired of the hypothetical of both our stars staying healthy when they never do.
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 12:37 pm
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