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re: The character factor for the Pelicans draft picks
Posted on 5/20/22 at 9:24 am to DallasTiger45
Posted on 5/20/22 at 9:24 am to DallasTiger45
If you’re going to reach for a Sochan type at 8, at least opt for someone like a Tari Eason. Or just wait til your 2nd rd pick and find an lengthy hustle upperclassman. Don’t know who that is but there is always a few
Posted on 5/20/22 at 9:33 am to DallasTiger45
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What are these other areas? Where did he show them if not at Baylor? I’m genuinely curious- would love to know what you’re referring to here.
I think aside from the shooting (which I don’t think is as gross as people make it out to be, 36% C&S from 3 and a solid midrange jumper) he’s a pretty, albeit developing, well rounded offensive player.
Off the ball he moves really well, understands angles and spacing, and is a terrific cutter. He finished 67% of his shots at the rim in the half court and is very good in the dunker spot. I think he’s just one of those guys that’s always working off ball and doesn’t just stand and watch. The cutting and finishing is probably my favorite aspect of his offensive game right now, but I also like his quick decision making, he’s one of those guys who doesn’t hold onto the ball and keeps it moving and makes smart passes.
But with the ball is the developing aspect of his game that’s exciting. He played some point forward for Baylor, and played it very well, but because of his general role and coming off the bench for Baylor didn’t get to display it as much as he could have. I kind of liken it to Scottie Barnes and his Freshman season at Florida St, though I don’t think he’s THAT skilled yet, though fairly we didn’t think Scottie was either. He’s going to surprise people with how skilled he is in the more open floored NBA. At 6’9” 230 (still growing) he moves really well for his size, he’s fluid and has a good handle and even without the shot is a potential mismatch nightmare. A big won’t be able to stay in front and if you put someone smaller he showed the ability to get that guy in the post and finish. Plus the off ball passing translates to on ball as well.
This post was edited on 5/20/22 at 9:36 am
Posted on 5/20/22 at 9:53 am to Epic Cajun
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That’s why I tend to lean toward Sochan, a dude that is that good defensively has to have that “want it” factor. We can figure out the offensive side with him (see Herbert Jones).
No matter what anybody tells you, Herb was REALLY bad on offense when he left Bama. I luv stats, but Herb shot an ugly 71% on FTs his senior yr. and anybody that thinks Herb was a legit 35% from 3 (which he did) just didn't watch Herb play. Strange things can happen, with an extremely limited sample size. Herb was actually a liability on the offensive end...and they would not even guard him outside for the last part of the season. If Herb was showing improvement on the offensive end his Sr year, I promise you he woulda been drafted MUCH earlier.
For several reasons, Herb was just at a standstill offensively. Given the situation with his college team, it was just the way it had to be. They were too busy trying to win...to work on Herb's offense.
This post was edited on 5/20/22 at 9:57 am
Posted on 5/20/22 at 10:30 am to Dinky Mulberry
I thought Herb’s offense at Alabama was good. Along with his defense, his ball handling was really good. Any of are picks need to be able to handle the ball well.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 11:17 am to GynoSandberg
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If you’re going to reach for a Sochan type at 8
It's barely a reach. He's most commonly mocked around 10-11. It's not like there is a consensus at the back of the lottery.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 11:24 am to TeddyPadillac
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What is Sochan's ceiling
A switchable small ball 5 that can hit an open 3 and even create a bit with the ball in his hands. Basically the perfect compliment to Zion in the front court.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 11:33 am to Epic Cajun
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A switchable small ball 5 that can hit an open 3 and even create a bit with the ball in his hands. Basically the perfect compliment to Zion in the front court.
His ceiling is sky high imo. I haven't put that much thought into it so this is fluid, but maybe even somewhere between 4th and 6th in this entire class.
The defensive ceiling is DPOY level good (I think that highly of him on that side of the floor, and if he's this good at this age, I would bet he's going to make multiple All-Defensive teams), and offensively if he develops that outside shot he will be able to do a bit of everything. Secondary ball handler who can create for himself and others, potential mismatch nightmare at his size with how fluid he moves.
This post was edited on 5/20/22 at 11:34 am
Posted on 5/20/22 at 12:37 pm to The LGBM
Think it’s huge to also get guys who don’t mind “simply”being a star basketball player on a successful team…regardless of market. BI seemingly just wants to play for a good organization and be as great as he can. He doesn’t seem to want to be a NYC icon or rub elbows with Silicon Valley moguls in San Fran.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 12:42 pm to St Augustine
NYC Icon profile. Does that ALL ABOUT "ME" player even belong in the new culture?
Posted on 5/20/22 at 1:08 pm to PUB
No not at all. That was kinda my point. Even if one guy may be marginally more talented, we kinda need to get the more team focused guy who doesn’t mind making 120M to play in New Orleans
Posted on 5/20/22 at 1:23 pm to The LGBM
Every sports franchise is hoping to balance character and talent. This isn’t really unique to the Pelicans.
It’s always about how much character are you willing to sacrifice for that talent, and at what acquisition cost.
If your stud is an a-hole, most of the time you are fricked. But a few good guys can rub off on the assholes that might be secondary players,
It’s always about how much character are you willing to sacrifice for that talent, and at what acquisition cost.
If your stud is an a-hole, most of the time you are fricked. But a few good guys can rub off on the assholes that might be secondary players,
Posted on 5/20/22 at 1:38 pm to St Augustine
LOL - "team focused" guy who doesn't "mind" making 120M to play in New Orleans?
Is that some guy who carries his weight, is always hurt and runs around with a necklace that is bling bigger than a Zulu coconut hanging from his neck?
Is that some guy who carries his weight, is always hurt and runs around with a necklace that is bling bigger than a Zulu coconut hanging from his neck?
Posted on 5/20/22 at 5:42 pm to Dinky Mulberry
UA used Herb as a point forward much of the time under Avery and Oats. He brought the ball up, initiated the offense, and was one of the primary guys to force a drive when things got stagnant.
Re: Sochan…just don’t understand why we would reach for a non-offensive big that is a poor rim protector. Eason has waaay more upside to me.
Re: Sochan…just don’t understand why we would reach for a non-offensive big that is a poor rim protector. Eason has waaay more upside to me.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 6:50 pm to BamaPelican
Eason is three years older than Sochan.
Posted on 5/20/22 at 7:16 pm to Kerchek
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Eason is three years older than Sochan.
Eason 5/10/2001
Sochan 5/20/2003
Posted on 5/20/22 at 8:49 pm to BamaPelican
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UA used Herb as a point forward much of the time under Avery and Oats. He brought the ball up, initiated the offense, and was one of the primary guys to force a drive when things got stagnant.
And Sochan was getting more playing time at point forward later in the season, too. Remember he’s only 19 (today actually). He’s not a complete zero offensively, and has potential there. Why is he not a rim protector? Just because he doesn’t have great block statistics? He can guard the 5 adequately.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 7:55 am to Epic Cajun
Main reason he isn’t considered a top rim protector is his relatively poor VJ. His defense is based more on anticipation, solid lateral movement and a nice frame.
Really, his body is more of a 3&D stretch 4 and I can see him being a solid player at the 4 given time and development, but his shooting numbers are still bad, so that development certainly isn’t assured and if you couple that uncertainty with a lack of an obvious physical advantage that could let him impact the game primarily as a D and dunk 5, then he looks more like a good value in the later first or early second, but not in the lottery.
Really, his body is more of a 3&D stretch 4 and I can see him being a solid player at the 4 given time and development, but his shooting numbers are still bad, so that development certainly isn’t assured and if you couple that uncertainty with a lack of an obvious physical advantage that could let him impact the game primarily as a D and dunk 5, then he looks more like a good value in the later first or early second, but not in the lottery.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 8:01 am to BamaPelican
Sochan’s vertical isn’t great, but it’s not bad. He’s more of a help side defender at the rim more than a straight up rim defender, which is really is only con defensively. Which shouldn’t even be a con because nobody expects him to be that.
He’s WAY better than a late first early second pick. He’s gonna to top 10.
He’s WAY better than a late first early second pick. He’s gonna to top 10.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 9:48 am to The LGBM
They must take the BPA....Trade this pick either.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 9:53 am to CP3forMVP
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He’s WAY better than a late first early second pick. He’s gonna to top 10.
And in my opinion, he has more value to a team in our current position of need, than for most other teams. I'll take him...worse case, stick him in the corner on offense to draw an opposing "5" out...which I do NOT think will be necessary. It turned out not to be necessary for Herb & he came in not being able to shoot a lick and with fundamentally horrible shooting technique. Sochan actually looks MUCH better shooting the ball than Herb...I'm optimistic on Sochan's offense becoming decent and the defense is just what we need.
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