re: the 2020 fake trade thread

If we want to commit to Zion at the 5, then Covington is one of the perfect 4's to play with him.
That being said, i dont think we should be trading all those picks for a 29 year old.

I'd like Bjelica, and 3 2nds seems somewhat fair, although i think 2nds is what my asking price would be, but again, this cat is 31 years old.

I like Leonard, but i'm not giving up 5 good 2nds for him for the remainder of this year and then he's a free agent. That's ludicrous. Maimi needs to get under the tax. They can have 1 2nd, maybe 2, with Miller and get under or right near getting under the tax (i didn't look at the specifics but i know they need to clear around $4M to get under). That's a fair deal.

Bertans would be a great fit, but he is an expriring, although you do get his bird rights. Kind of a risky move to trade all those assets for someone you might not get to resign.

the ringer, two fake trades for every team

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New Orleans Pelicans
Major: Jrue Holiday and Jahlil Okafor to the Heat for Tyler Herro, Goran Dragic, Meyers Leonard, and the Heat’s 2020 first-round pick

You never want to lose a player like Holiday, but a team working with the extended runway provided by Zion Williamson and Brandon Ingram should at least consider it. A package like this bridges short-term production with long-term potential. How it hits you likely depends on what you make of Herro; Miami’s front office, for example, might be too bullish to part with the 20-year-old shooter so soon.

Minor: E’Twaun Moore, Jahlil Okafor, the Pelicans’ 2020 second-round pick, and the Wizards’ 2020 second-round pick to the Knicks for Marcus Morris

If we’re operating under the assumption that New Orleans is ready to push for the no. 8 seed, they could stand to upgrade their bench with a reliable combo forward. Morris should be available if the Knicks come to their senses, though perhaps that assumes too much.

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yes leonard has quietly become quite productive

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pels blogger (ellis) with some fake trades

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New Orleans Pelicans get: Robert Covington

Minnesota Timberwolves get: Darius Miller, Frank Jackson, two first-round picks (2020 via New Orleans, 2020 via Cleveland) and two second-round picks (2020 via New Orleans, 2020 via Washington)

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New Orleans Pelicans get: Meyers Leonard

Miami Heat get: Darius Miller, Nicolo Melli, a first-round pick (2020 via Cleveland) and three second-round picks (2020 via New Orleans, 2020 via Washington, 2021 via New Orleans)

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Is Ellis high? Both of these are absolutely ludicrous. Way way too much to give up for these players. Heck, Leonard is an expiring so we would be renting him for a couple of months of a non-playoff (likely) season.

I'm not a fan of those trades either really, but just remember that:

The Cleveland "First Round Pick" is not a first round pick. Its 2 2nds, because that pick will not convey this year (top 10 protected).

This 2020 class is considered to be one of the worst in awhile so people are all of a sudden willing to part with our pick.

I personally am not unless an amazing deal comes along. I want us to use our damn picks unless we are trading for a real difference maker.

I think the most important thing for us to figure out is if we want Zion playing the 5, and who's the best big man to fit with him. Is it a traditional 5 that can spread the floor, like a Horford or Turner, or is it 4 that can defend big like a Covington/Tobias/Grant.

I think if you go the 4 route, it has to be a guy that can help rebound really well. I don't particularly like the idea of Zion being the guy that has to block out the best rebounder from the other team, meaning he likely doesn't get as many rebounds and is late to start most fast breaks.


all that being, i think that small big that will play with Zion needs to be drafted. Jaxson is going to develop into a great 5 in this league. His rim running will create space by itself, and i am confident he will develop a consistent outside shot.

I'd rather take the many chances we have at our disposal with early 2nd round picks and find that diamond in the rough. They are always there.

There's really no need to do anything just yet trade wise.

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I'm not a fan of those trades either really, but just remember that:

The Cleveland "First Round Pick" is not a first round pick. Its 2 2nds, because that pick will not convey this year (top 10 protected).

This 2020 class is considered to be one of the worst in awhile so people are all of a sudden willing to part with our pick.

I personally am not unless an amazing deal comes along. I want us to use our damn picks unless we are trading for a real difference maker.

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I think everyone realized that Cleveland pick will become 2 2nds. Still way too much for that player. He is not nearly as good as some are making him out to be. Also, the 2 2nds from Cleveland still have value given they are likely to be very high in the second and do not carry automatic guaranteed contracts.

Here's an actual fake trade idea.

Jrue/Okafor/Kenrich for Parsons expiring deal, John Collins and Kevin Heurter (6'7" 21 year old shooting 40% from 3 point in his 2nd year taking 5 a game over those 2 years).

have your 3 headed monster down low for the future with Zion/Collins/Hayes. Would just need that 4th big to be a low contract guy that can play spot minutes to help cover the bigger 5's of the league like Jokic.

Yeah don't see the Hawks being game for that.

You seem to think Heurter has no value.