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re: Steven Adams to Pelicans in Serious Talks
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:05 pm to shel311
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:05 pm to shel311
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He's arguably not even a top 10 center.
If you just look at basketball reference, prob not
If you figure intangibles & certain immeasurables like defense, screen setting, & leadership yea he’s a top 10 center
His contract this year is rather meaningless & shouldn’t be a focus.
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Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:07 pm to shel311
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The draft picks, that's the argument. Adams and his contract shouldn't command 3 draft picks, that's the argument, and that is it.
Agreed, 3 p(r)icks feels a bit benty over by Presti
Especially good ones like Cleveland and Washington
Having said, the bigger the expiring the more valuable it is, not the other way around. To get 30 mil off the books in one hit is something a lot of teams would love, we paid a premium for that perhaps
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:08 pm to Lester Earl
quote:It is in the context of his trade value.
His contract this year is rather meaningless & shouldn’t be a focus
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:08 pm to shel311
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Adams and his contract shouldn't command 3 draft picks, that's the argument, and that is it.
Those picks hold very low value lol
Especially when you consider the other picks the Pels own
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:08 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Irrelevant to my point... lol
Those picks hold very low value lol
quote:That's a really poor way to value your picks.
Especially when you consider the other picks the Pels own
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:08 pm to shel311
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The draft picks, that's the argument. Adams and his contract shouldn't command 3 draft picks, that's the argument, and that is it.
The draft picks are nearly worthless.
You are making the same mistake Bronc is making trying to equate Adams to a guy like Derrick Favors, who just commanded a three year deal.
Right or wrong, Griffin clearly values flexibility. In this case he’s retained flexibility and upgraded our roster.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:09 pm to shel311
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rrelevant to my point... lol
Then quit bringing them up. Jesus Christ, lol.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:10 pm to southdowns84
Once you get past the top centers, they are all grouped similarly. It really depends on team need. A center can have this great offensive skillset but being a zero on defense is a nonstarter
As for the contract, there are endless overpaid guys on their second and third deals whose production doesn’t come close to their money. That’s the NBA in a nutshell. At the time on Adams’ extension the thunder had high aspirations were trying to build a long term contender around Westbrook - that was the real mistake
As for the contract, there are endless overpaid guys on their second and third deals whose production doesn’t come close to their money. That’s the NBA in a nutshell. At the time on Adams’ extension the thunder had high aspirations were trying to build a long term contender around Westbrook - that was the real mistake
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:10 pm to southdowns84
quote:what are you talking about?
Then quit bringing them up. Jesus Christ, lol.
I didn't bring up the value of our 3 picks.
Not sure what you're going for there, but you got the wrong guy.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:11 pm to shel311
So you are concerned with the number of picks and not the value of said picks.....?
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:13 pm to Pendulum
quote:Nope, I never commented on the value of our picks, I've over and over again commented on the value of Steven Adams.
So you are concerned with the number of picks and not the value of said picks.....?
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:14 pm to southdowns84
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A “cheap” free agent wants a multi year deal, which is much more costly than a guy who’s two weeks away from retiring and a bunch of picks that will never play.
Unless this is a super expensive one year rental, in which case that makes this terrible, the plan is to keep Adams around for another contract. Which will come after signing BI to a max and potentially having to sign Lonzo to a big contract.
If Adams lives up to the hype, he’ll have every contender that needs a big man after him, driving up his price. And he’ll be a 28 year old looking at a team of 19-22 year olds and needing to be persuaded to not take those offers. So you’re looking at an inflated contract for multiple years into Adams early 30’s.
So it’s not a fair framing the way you put it.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:14 pm to shel311
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Irrelevant to my point... lol
If your point is we gave up too many picks for Adams, it’s directly related, or I could have just read your post wrong
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That's a really poor way to value your picks.
Nah, not really. Picks don’t exist in a vacuum. They have a clear vision & are using low value draft picks to facilitate that vision.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:16 pm to shel311
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Adams and his contract shouldn't command 3 draft picks, that's the argument, and that is it.
quote:
I didn’t bring up the value of our 3 picks.
Help me out here.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:16 pm to shel311
The value of Adams is a very good player at a position of EXTREMELY high need. He's on a one year deal so the salary is irrelevant. We didn't have money to sign anyone even close to as good as Adams.
If he plays well we can discuss a more reasonable extension next year. If not we can try to trade him before the deadline or let him walk after the season.
There is no downside to this.
If he plays well we can discuss a more reasonable extension next year. If not we can try to trade him before the deadline or let him walk after the season.
There is no downside to this.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:16 pm to Lester Earl
quote:I don't think Adams and his contract is a net positive value so my main point is why should we have to give them any picks. So the value of our picks are hot relevant since I don't think we should have had to give them any picks.
If your point is we gave up too many picks for Adams, it’s directly related, or I could have just read your post wrong
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:18 pm to southdowns84
quote:Focus is on Adams and his value.
Help me out here.
It could have been a 2025 2nd rounder, and I'd still argue it doesn't make sense to send them the pick. Again, not about the pick, it's about Adams value.
I'll put it this way, if picks are so insignificant, why didn't OKC send us 3 low value picks instead?
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:18 pm to shel311
Because Adams is a pretty dang good center, irregardless of his contract. So that is the value we are giving up picks for.
If he was signed to 2+ years you'd have a point. Here you have no legs.
Were they supposed to send us Adams and picks for nothing in return?
If he was signed to 2+ years you'd have a point. Here you have no legs.
Were they supposed to send us Adams and picks for nothing in return?
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:19 pm to shel311
quote:
Irrelevant to my point... lol
the pick value is irrelevant to evaluating a trade?
Posted on 11/21/20 at 12:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Yes, in the context I've pointed out.
the pick value is irrelevant to evaluating a trade?
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