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re: Steven Adams to Pelicans in Serious Talks
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:03 am to touchdownjeebus
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:03 am to touchdownjeebus
Lets go get russ westbrook,
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Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:10 am to Pelefraan 1
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Basically, all we can do is add one more high quality guy and the rest minimums. So it concerning if you expect to find 2 or 3 super cheap dudes that no one else wants who can also shoot. Odds aren't good.
That’s fine
JJ
Ingram
Hart
Ball
Bledsoe
Melli
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:11 am to Tigercowboy
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I would be down for another suite game. I had a great time last year!
It was a lot of fun. If this covid shite can go away, or if we can figure out a way to do it at full capacity like last year, I will gladly organize it again.
I have to do a better job of keeping tabs on it. I almost screwed up last season.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:13 am to touchdownjeebus
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Brett Dawson @BDawsonWrites 13m
Thinking about Steven Adams and remembering that one of the best offensive games I ever saw him play in OKC he had 6 points, 6 rebounds and shot 2-6. But he had 16 screen assists in a playoff game to help Russell Westbrook get 45 points and Paul George 34.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:13 am to southdowns84
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No one shitting on this deal has explained the problem with the value we’ve given up in a meaningful way.
People have mentioned it multiple times:
Adams is 27 year old traditional center that will be 30 by the time our team starts looking to truly compete, being brought in to play next to a 20 year old undersized(from a height perspective) 6’6 power forward that plays around the rim. To go with another core player that also spends a lot of his time in the interior. To go with two guards that thrive in transition and one of them projects to be a guard that heavily attacks the rim in the PnR.
Adams lacks the elite foot speed, the ability to space, is not materially superior protecting the rim or rebounding than the guy we just lost for a fraction of the price and the biggest selling point has been him as a developmental coach and culture setter.
The good thing with Griffin is that unlike Demps he can afford to make moves like this and not end up in an Asik situation where you’ve depleted your assets if you come to think your guy is no longer an ideal fit. I personally don’t like this being where we invest our assets and think it creates another imbalanced roster that is going to require constant sacrifice and manipulation like last year and ultimately require future moves to fix. So I would rather hold onto my assets and cash them in for players that are a core part of our future as opposed to what I see as stepping stones
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:14 am to Bronc
quote:Sounds like you're saying there's not much difference between the 2 vs the other 2.
Jrue is a better player than Bledsoe(last two season):
Jrue: 20, 7, 5
Eric: 15.5, 5.5, 5
Relatively same percentages, usage, and turnovers.
and Favors has been almost statistically the same player as Adams, but actually a better defensive rim protector and slightly better rebounder.
Jrue >> Bledsoe
Adams > Favors.
Now consider we gave up one 1st and 2 2nds but added 3 1sts and 2 pick swaps.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:16 am to Lester Earl
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Is that why their biggest offseason acquisition has been a 6’10” small forward & not another shrimp guard to play next to Young?
You mean the team that just signed Kriss Dunn to be their defensive stopping guard?
Yeah, that team
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:21 am to southdowns84
quote:It's simple.
No one shitting on this deal has explained the problem with the value we’ve given up in a meaningful way.
Even as an expiring which does have value, Adams and his contract overall is a negative value imo. It's a liability, not an asset. So why do we have to send 3 picks, including a 1st to obtain a negative asset?
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:22 am to shel311
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Sounds like you're saying there's not much difference between the 2 vs the other 2.
I think there is a pretty notable difference between Jrue and Bledsoe personally. Though I don’t hate Bledsoe in a vacuum the way some bandwagon Bucks fans were screaming this off-season, on this team though? Spacing is going to be atrocious.
As for the picks, I’ll gladly take three future first round picks and swaps that can be bundled over a player I don’t see as a long term core piece vs losing one of those firsts for that type of acquisition.
Because the thing is with Adams, if he kills it the way people say he will, he’s going to get huge interest from contenders. Which means signing him again to a big contract to keep him. If he’s Favors redux and the team still struggles because Zion/Lonzo/Ingram are still struggling to put it together, then it simply begs the question why we needed to sacrifice these assets today for a team that is building for 3+ years from now?
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 11:24 am
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:23 am to Bronc
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So I would rather hold onto my assets and cash them in for players that are a core part of our future as opposed to what I see as stepping stones
Who are we going to get for a late first round and 2 seconds? We have a bunch of assets. We cashed out on Adams. Do you even watch OKC games? Adams PNR and sets will help this team score a lot. We needed a center and we got one. I rather Adams for one year than favors for 3 years.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:23 am to shel311
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Adams and his contract overall is a negative value imo
And your opinion is dead wrong. Adams is a top 5 center in the NBA, even on a max, a top 5 player at any position is never a negative value.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:24 am to Soggymoss
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Just that extra vocalness and fight Bledsoe and Adams brings over Jrue and Favors will do wonders for this team.
I don't know how it can be proven that Bledsoe has more "fight" than Jrue. The bucks don't care about this intangible fight either bc Bledsoe sucked when it counted. So much so they paid 3 1st rd picks to make him go away.
That trade was about extracting as much value they could for Jrue from any team. The bucks were that team, Bledsoe is essentially salary filler.
I like Adams, his salary is ridiculous but it's only 1 year.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:25 am to Soggymoss
quote:Get the F out of here with arguing Steven Adams is worth $27 mil
And your opinion is dead wrong. Adams is a top 5 center in the NBA, even on a max, a top 5 player at any position is never a negative value.
There's also zero argument he's a top 5 center, not even close.
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 11:27 am
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:26 am to Bronc
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Because the thing is with Adams, if he kills it the way people say he will, he’s going to get huge interest from contenders. Which means signing him again to a big contract to keep him. If he’s Favors redux and the team still struggles because Zion/Lonzo/Ingram are still struggling to put it together, then it simply begs the question why we needed to sacrifice these assets today for a team that is building for 3+ years from now?
I don’t see Griffin overpaying players. If Adams does great, we give him our best offer. Contenders want him? Then we can trade him again like how OKC did with CP3. If he doesn’t, we have a 27 million year exception.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:28 am to duyp
If he kills it, he will be an even more extremely valuable expiring contract
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:28 am to Bronc
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You mean the team that just signed Kriss Dunn to be their defensive stopping guard?
Yeah, that team
That definitively seemed like a priority & a team willing to send all their assets off for Jrue lol
Kris Dunn 2yrs 10 mil
Gallinari 3yrs 61 mil
Tape don’t lie
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:28 am to shel311
Embiid
Jokic
AD (depending on what you view him as)
Maybe Gobert
That's the only ones that you can make a legitimate argument that they are better
Jokic
AD (depending on what you view him as)
Maybe Gobert
That's the only ones that you can make a legitimate argument that they are better
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:30 am to Soggymoss
quote:What? Gobert is clearly much better than Adams, what are we doing here.
Maybe Gobert
quote:KAT, Vucevic, and Ayton say Hi.
That's the only ones that you can make a legitimate argument that they are better
This post was edited on 11/21/20 at 11:31 am
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:33 am to shel311
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It's simple.
Even as an expiring which does have value, Adams and his contract overall is a negative value imo. It's a liability, not an asset. So why do we have to send 3 picks, including a 1st to obtain a negative asset?
Someone has to play center for us next year.
None of the picks we gave up will likely play more minutes than our center next year.
If Adams works out for us this year and sticks on for a reasonable salary, this trade is a win. If he’s Favors 2.0, we haven’t really lost anything in a vacuum.
Posted on 11/21/20 at 11:33 am to shel311
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Even as an expiring which does have value, Adams and his contract overall is a negative value imo. It's a liability, not an asset. So why do we have to send 3 picks, including a 1st to obtain a negative asset?
Adams expires next offseason. He's not an expiring today and won't be one tomorrow
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