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Stein: Pels making hard push to steal “analytics ace” Sammy Gelfand away from Pistons

Posted on 8/1/22 at 12:09 pm
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
127864 posts
Posted on 8/1/22 at 12:09 pm
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From the around-the-league notes section of my Monday musings below: League sources say New Orleans is making a hard push to hire analytics ace Sammy Gelfand away from the Pistons to reunite Gelfand with Pelicans head coach Willie Green.


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Posted by BallHawk
Orlando
Member since Jul 2011
6047 posts
Posted on 8/1/22 at 12:13 pm to
This is the mark of a winning franchise IMO. Much different approach and demeanor than years past.
Posted by Honest Man
Member since Feb 2021
1048 posts
Posted on 8/1/22 at 12:57 pm to
Sammy Gelfand is a chick magnet btw.
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
176008 posts
Posted on 8/1/22 at 1:24 pm to
poster boy for white people hope in the league.

Posted by BallHawk
Orlando
Member since Jul 2011
6047 posts
Posted on 8/1/22 at 1:28 pm to
I don't give two shits how he looks...if he can help the team by bringing higher analytics research and thus help Willie Green I'm all for it.
Posted by WaltWhite504
Member since Sep 2021
2108 posts
Posted on 8/1/22 at 2:14 pm to
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I don't give two shits how he looks...


Will be played by Jonah Hill in the movie
Posted by Chad504boy
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Member since Feb 2005
176008 posts
Posted on 8/1/22 at 2:24 pm to
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Will be played by Jonah Hill in the movie


HE DOESN'T CARE. That's how hardcore to winning he is. HE DOESN'T CARE.
Posted by LSUCOLLEGECHAMPS
Member since Apr 2020
2524 posts
Posted on 8/1/22 at 2:36 pm to
Stop being racist.
Posted by Dinky Mulberry
Member since Aug 2021
2283 posts
Posted on 8/1/22 at 2:49 pm to
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Sammy Gelfand is a chick magnet btw.


Being a "numbers" expert myself...I support Gelfand...110%

BTW: This is meant to be a humorous post, whether it is or isn't.
This post was edited on 8/1/22 at 7:37 pm
Posted by Pelefraan 1
Member since Jan 2018
6706 posts
Posted on 8/1/22 at 7:18 pm to
Can you make it through one "post" without "using" inverted "commas"
Posted by ForeverEllisHugh
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
16186 posts
Posted on 8/1/22 at 8:52 pm to
Meh… analytics has its place but has taken on way to big of a role across all sports.
Posted by Honest Man
Member since Feb 2021
1048 posts
Posted on 8/1/22 at 9:26 pm to
Prove it....
Posted by ForeverEllisHugh
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
16186 posts
Posted on 8/1/22 at 9:37 pm to
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Prove it


Baseball: uppercut “HR or K” swings, decline in fundamentals/manufacturing runs, endless shifts

Basketball: abandoning the midrange, way too many 3s
This post was edited on 8/1/22 at 9:45 pm
Posted by Stiles
Member since Sep 2017
3454 posts
Posted on 8/1/22 at 10:34 pm to

That’s Supersaint when he moved to S.F.
Posted by 3PieceSpicy
Metairie
Member since Jan 2021
7756 posts
Posted on 8/1/22 at 10:46 pm to
Yeah tbh, some of these shifts in strategy and philosophy driven by analytics has kind of ruined the pure natural beauty of basketball and baseball.

Example. Guys like Ant Edwards should not be taking 9 threes. KAT should play more in the post. Etc.

And in baseball we see a lot of goofy shifts and over conservative pitch counts. Kershaw can be rolli g through 5, but the manager has 2 people warming up in the bullpen before he even takes the mound in the 6th.

Football’s analytics has led to more passing and more 4th down and 2 point conversion attempts, which is actually fun. The only thing holding football back, is the inconsistent officiating and the inconsistent punishments/treatment that the league office gives certain teams.
Posted by Dinky Mulberry
Member since Aug 2021
2283 posts
Posted on 8/1/22 at 11:01 pm to
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Baseball: uppercut “HR or K” swings, decline in fundamentals/manufacturing runs, endless shifts

Basketball: abandoning the midrange, way too many 3s


Shifts are SO effective that MLB is gonna have to outlaw them starting next year. Name of the game when hitting is "get the ball in the air" (sorry, had to get my inverted commas in) In NBA, if shooting more 3s is wrong...every team in the NBA is WRONG...# of 3s goes up every year. Gotta feelin' this Gelfand guy would be quite useful.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 8/2/22 at 5:38 am to
“Ruined the natural beauty”

Is an entirely subjective and personal preference based argument. Personally I much, much rather see what the game is today than what it was in the 90’s.

Frankly I think nostalgia has completely papered over how ugly much of basketball was. When the sport was largely 4 guys standing around and you dumping the ball into a center or power forward to iso on the block and chuck up a shot.

As to people taking less threes, why? Kat is one of the best big man shooters in the history of the game, he is not one of the best post players. Play to your strengths.

Furthermore, analytics is a tool. The same analytics that quantified the value of the three and the breakeven point for when it makes more sense to take a three than a two is the same analytics that is also being used as a basis to partially revitalize the mid range game as a means to take advantage of how defenses and rule changes have adjusted to the emphasis on threes. Analytics is not a stagnant science, it evolves with the data, and you want the best people collecting and interpreting that data so you can constantly be at an advantage with changes in how the game is evolving. Wanting anything less than that is just emotional phobia of math.
This post was edited on 8/2/22 at 5:39 am
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20675 posts
Posted on 8/2/22 at 6:27 am to
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Frankly I think nostalgia has completely papered over how ugly much of basketball was. 


I never could understand why zone defense was illegal in the NBA. Why did anyone ever think that was a good rule?

The time of the great Magic-Bird rivalry had a lot of great passing and was, perhaps, a fun time to watch the game, but that was before my time. By the time we get to the Jordan era and I started watching basketball, the NBA was a bunch of iso ball, and it was often boring and frustrating to watch.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 8/2/22 at 6:33 am to
Right, and that is not to say there wasn't pretty basketball or absolutely awe inspiring players, but the overall game was often, kinda ugly.

At least comparatively.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465840 posts
Posted on 8/2/22 at 7:03 am to
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Baseball: uppercut “HR or K” swings, decline in fundamentals/manufacturing runs, endless shifts

Basketball: abandoning the midrange, way too many 3s

The problem with your argument is that if your argument was correct, teams would be exploiting these leaks that you listed.

Why aren't they?
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