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re: Spoke with friend who is also a Pels ticket rep
Posted on 9/8/20 at 12:50 pm to BallHawk
Posted on 9/8/20 at 12:50 pm to BallHawk
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I don’t think it’s systemic as it is claimed. I think in many cases it’s interpreted or misconstrued or reached for but I don’t think it’s a core tenet of society
Are you aware there were billions of dollars in fees and fines amongst several of the largest banks and dozens of smaller ones in the last 10 years for redlining 1 2, 3 4? And those are just the ones a poor regulatory system that completely failed to catch rampant abuse leading up to the financial crisis and has repeatedly been neutered, or outright obstructed in more recent years has been able to find. 2
Turns out outlawing didn’t stop many institutions from systemically discriminating in their lending practices by the color of people’s skin.
Lots of verified reports as well of entire company strategies of showing up to poor, less educated communities of color and manipulating people into subprime mortgages, even refusing better loans they would qualify for.
Less obvious but no less systemic is the practice of pocket listings( a practice so on the nose that even their own industry had to acknowledge the longstanding practice....in 2019 ). Many homes never make it to the general public market and the best deals or homes are often the ones a real estate agent keeps close to the vest to offer only as a sales tactic within her network of prospective buyers. And real estate happens to be a largely white-dominated profession, and their networks look similar and so do the people that benefit from these pocket listings, which are a huge undercurrent of the real estate market.
And that’s just housing and lending. Not even touching on the adjacent stuff like the predatory short-term loan business. But these are policies of discrimination at the institutional, policy, and normative levels of the market. Which is just scratching the surface.
....Not sure this audience is ready for the section on segregated schools. Probably just more whining about threads like this, created so conservative fans could grind their axe through fake news, but are suddenly no longer appropriate when alternate viewpoints show up to weigh in.
This post was edited on 9/8/20 at 12:52 pm
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Posted on 9/8/20 at 12:53 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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I'm not arguing with you. You are an arrogant little shite-stain who enjoys the attention he gets from being obtuse on the internet. No matter what anyone in here says, you're going to remain an ignorant little shite-stain, so it's not worth my time to make relevant points.
He pulled this shite the last thread involving this topic.
He rolls into driveby post and makes personal insults from a presumed posture of credibility, while not once having ever demonstrated it.
I.E. a troll
Posted on 9/8/20 at 2:42 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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I'm not arguing with you.
Correct , you’re hysterically crying all over the thread.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 4:00 pm to Bronc
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Reverse redlining: Occurs when a lender or insurer particularly targets minority consumers, not to deny them loans or insurance, but to charge them more than would be charged to a similarly situated white consumer.
That’s retarded and an attempt to leverage the weight of a disdained historical practice for something else you don’t like.
Regardless, you didn’t claim reverse redlining, you claimed redlining.
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Demonstrating that you not only failed to bother to research the link, but don't even understand how redlining and all its forms work is not a gotcha....Except in the sense of it exposing your own ignorance.
You still haven’t answered my question on the driver of billions of dollars in fines. And you won’t because a liar hates being identified as a liar.
I’m not a troll, I laugh at your because it’s what you do with clowns.
I can attack your staggering dishonesty more if you like.
Your call.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 5:02 pm to Turbeauxdog
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That’s retarded and an attempt to leverage the weight of a disdained historical practice for something else you don’t like.
Regardless, you didn’t claim reverse redlining, you claimed redlining.
Again, for the slow of mind(this time with bolded words to help those gifted with dumb brains):
Redlining is the systematic denial of various services by federal government agencies, local governments as well as the private sector either directly or through the selective raising of prices.
Reverse redlining is simply a specified term under the broader category of redlining that fleshes out what the selective raising of prices can be, examples being, racially stratified: fees, barriers to entry, loan terms, enforcement practices, predatory marketing and lending practices and policies.
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You still haven’t answered my question on the driver of billions of dollars in fines. And you won’t because a liar hates being identified as a liar.
I’m not a troll, I laugh at your because it’s what you do with clowns.
I can attack your staggering dishonesty more if you like.
Your call.
You can pretty easily add up the numbers and arrive in the billions dumb shite:
335 Million - Bank of America
175 million - Wells Fargo
33 Million - Hudson city Savings
9 Million - Union and Guardian Savings
200 Million - Associated Bank
10 million - Bancorp South
15 Million - Liberty Bank
55 Million - JP Morgan Chase
100 Million - CIT Bank(Mnuchin ran this one FYI)
100 million + - easily achieved with a few dozen clicks from the DOJ page I posted using smaller community judgements and settlements.
All before we even dig down into the 16 billion dollar settlement or the ones from Goldman and Citigroup for their own billions and identify what percentage of those subprime mortgages we already demonstrated as practice targetting specifically along racial lines.
A practice seemingly so widespread and pervasive you could spend all day reading settlements and penalties.
One could have easily gone much further if we based it on the cumulative total of lost income, or the net drain these practices have on potential wealth and economic growth if redlined individuals were given equal terms, as opposed to sticking to just settlements and judgments which vastly under-represent the amount of wealth actually lost due to these practices(refer to the Brookings and McKinsey Studies to find some estimates of just how staggering these numbers could be). Especially when the current government has deliberately halted prosecuting them.
But I'm sure Mr. doesn't even know what redlining is until 45 minutes ago(and still doesn't it seems), isn't just reflexively trolling from getting triggered when people came in and had the audacity to not blame black people. Is in fact a well-read individual on the topic of racially predatory and discriminatory loan practices and is only taking this position after diving deeply into this topic....Not just behaving like a racist shitheel out of instinct.
This post was edited on 9/8/20 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 9/8/20 at 6:18 pm to Bronc
If the renewal numbers cited are incorrect what are the actual % renewal numbers that the Pels are down. Those stats sound legit to me considering the BLM foolishness, COVID, and the destruction of the New Orleans tourism economy.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 6:36 pm to ihometiger
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It appears the NBA/Pelicans have lost a considerable amount of season ticket holders due to BLM position. 37% season ticket non-renewals who are permanent. A lot of suites also have not renewed due to BLM position. Thinks there will be some massive layoffs at the end of the year.
Good. I hope the entire NBA goes bankrupt or relocates to China.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 6:38 pm to MrLSU
Renewal numbers alone aren't gonna tell you shite other than the numbers are down. If all you have are year over year numbers and you apply that conclusion, that's just called motivated reasoning.
To drill anything down like that you would need to have a valid and reliable count of the season ticket renewal sales up to this point, would need to get sufficient feedback on the motive for any cancellations, weigh that against historical data to this point in the year(accounting for the change in schedule), then you could start drawing some conclusions.
Plus, I'd keep in mind, the NBA and New Orleans, in general, are more liberal than the average sports cities..
To drill anything down like that you would need to have a valid and reliable count of the season ticket renewal sales up to this point, would need to get sufficient feedback on the motive for any cancellations, weigh that against historical data to this point in the year(accounting for the change in schedule), then you could start drawing some conclusions.
Plus, I'd keep in mind, the NBA and New Orleans, in general, are more liberal than the average sports cities..
Posted on 9/8/20 at 6:39 pm to Gonadballbarian
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THIS.... is human rights.. human freaking rights! if you don't understand that, it's probably because yours have never been f****** threatened..
Black Lives Matter: What we Believe
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We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.
yeah. it's not nutty at all
ETA: I've been arguing against the police state, WOD, militarization of police, etc for almost a decade prior to BLM existing
The problem with BLM is that it's Marxist bullshite
This post was edited on 9/8/20 at 6:49 pm
Posted on 9/8/20 at 6:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.
Yes, a variation of love and care for your neighbor.
so radical...
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Mark 12:31:
‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”
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Matthew 22:37
And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
So, so damn radical lol
*Source: Jesus
This post was edited on 9/8/20 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 9/8/20 at 7:21 pm to Bronc
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Yes, a variation of love and care for your neighbor.
No
An argument against "nuclear family privilege", aka 2 parents. It's absurd and antithetical to the progress they allegedly seek.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 7:26 pm to Bronc
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Yes, a variation of love and care for your neighbor.
Wtf.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 7:48 pm to Fun Bunch
Yeah that was a reach
Posted on 9/8/20 at 8:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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No
An argument against "nuclear family privilege", aka 2 parents. It's absurd and antithetical to the progress they allegedly seek.
Try reading that again bucko
Posted on 9/8/20 at 8:04 pm to Bronc
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We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure
It's not about the Golden Rule bro.
It's about "nuclear family privilege". It's not even code. It's clearly stated.
Posted on 9/8/20 at 8:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
Where is the word "privilege" written anywhere?
Keep trying
Keep trying
Posted on 9/8/20 at 9:02 pm to Bronc
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We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.
Yes, a variation of love and care for your neighbor.
so radical...
quote:
Mark 12:31:
‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”
quote:
Matthew 22:37
And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
So, so damn radical lol
*Source: Jesus
That is the dumbest thing anyone has ever posted on the internet.
Posted on 9/9/20 at 1:27 am to Elleshoe
Some people truly are but most jusy don't like the actual message
Posted on 9/9/20 at 8:05 am to Bronc
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Where is the word "privilege" written anywhere?
the entire concept of BLM and it's complaints/policies is based on the alleged privileges of certain traits and choices
they don't have to say "we are against nuclear family privilege" when they are against "the nuclear family", because the privilege/advantage is implied. why else would they be opposed to this?
"white privilege" isn't mentioned in that page, either. do you honestly think BLM doesn't believe in it?
Posted on 9/9/20 at 8:47 am to All you need is love
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That's the thing though most people who say the phrase "black lives matter" aren't talking about the BLM organization they're talking about black lives. This whole "BLM is a Marxist group" thing is being used to discredit people who actually care about black people. BLM may well be a Marxist group but there's a difference in supporting that group and saying the phrase "black lives matter"
The NBA is specifically supporting the organization; it’s hard to argue otherwise when they are copying the talking points and using the specific name of it. I had seen people who disagreed with the organization try to say things like All Lives Matter, or All Black Lives Matter just to get called racist for trying to take away emphasis from the main cause. The issue I take with that personally is that the BLM organization has in their stated goals things that don’t have anything to do with racial equality, like the abolition of the nuclear family. Couple that with how they are complicity embracing leftist rioters (in the Marxist sense, not American political spectrum) and you get a cocktail for your average moderate voter to not care to support the organization, or anyone who actively promotes it themselves.
The NBA would be wise to come up with its own slogans and protests, like Racial Equality For All. It would be received much better than plastering Black Lives Matter on the court, I promise you.
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