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Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:49 pm to LesGeaux45
Hmm, first time I put it in it worked, just tried again and it didnt..
It's ok, I wouldnt want Wes anyways, I think we could do better..
Now if they would do Randle and Hill for Wes and DSJ (no pick from our end), then I would do it
It's ok, I wouldnt want Wes anyways, I think we could do better..
Now if they would do Randle and Hill for Wes and DSJ (no pick from our end), then I would do it
Posted on 1/3/19 at 9:07 pm to Soggymoss
I’d send out Moore/Randle for Mathews and DSJ, or Randle/Hill/1st top 10 protected. Prefer sending out Moore and keeping the pick if possible.
DSJ
Jrue
Tatum
Niko
Smart
Baynes
2 picks in the teens
Cap space
I can get behind that.
DSJ
Jrue
Tatum
Niko
Smart
Baynes
2 picks in the teens
Cap space
I can get behind that.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 9:41 pm to TeddyPadillac
Not interested in Wes Mathews. I certainly would not give up Randle for him. If DSJ included and not pick coming from us, I maybe could be on board (although not a huge fan of DSJ). I would certainly not give up a 1st though.
This post was edited on 1/3/19 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 1/3/19 at 10:09 pm to NOSHAU
But it is interesting that the parts they are talking about are some of the same pieces MM suggested as part of a bigger deal for getting Barnes. IIRC it was something like
Mavs - Randle/Moore/Dunn
Bulls - DSJ/Matthews
Pels - Barnes/Holiday
Unfortunately Justin Holiday just got traded but I'm sure you can find a replacement.
I also wonder if the Milwaukee interest in Randle is strong enough that you could get both Bledsoe and Brogdon out of them. I have to think if they offered Bledsoe like that they don't plan on keeping him long term. Maybe you can do Randle/Moore for Bledsoe/Brogdon?
Mavs - Randle/Moore/Dunn
Bulls - DSJ/Matthews
Pels - Barnes/Holiday
Unfortunately Justin Holiday just got traded but I'm sure you can find a replacement.
I also wonder if the Milwaukee interest in Randle is strong enough that you could get both Bledsoe and Brogdon out of them. I have to think if they offered Bledsoe like that they don't plan on keeping him long term. Maybe you can do Randle/Moore for Bledsoe/Brogdon?
Posted on 1/3/19 at 10:47 pm to TigerinATL
If so, do you upgrade significantly enough to appease AD or is it just moving around parts? I really like Brogdon offensively. What does he bring defensively? I would not see Bledsoe as a long-term piece.
My preference would be a deal for Beal, but I guess that may not be realistic.
My preference would be a deal for Beal, but I guess that may not be realistic.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 6:50 am to TigerinATL
Bledsoe could be that leader in the Rondo mold that we are missing.. To get Bledsoe and Brogdon for Randle and Moore, I would jump all over that, even include a 2nd rounder to them..
That still would leave us Hill, Johnson and our 1st to move in a separate deal for more depth, something like Hill, Johnson and the 1st to Phoenix for Warren and Bender.
Bledsoe/Payton/Frazier
Jrue/Brogdon/Clark/Frank
Warren/Miller/K Williams
Niko/Diallo
AD/Bender/Okafor
We would need to add another big from FA or the buyout market (Rumors that Robin Lopez, Enez Kanter and Dedmon will get bought out)
That still would leave us Hill, Johnson and our 1st to move in a separate deal for more depth, something like Hill, Johnson and the 1st to Phoenix for Warren and Bender.
Bledsoe/Payton/Frazier
Jrue/Brogdon/Clark/Frank
Warren/Miller/K Williams
Niko/Diallo
AD/Bender/Okafor
We would need to add another big from FA or the buyout market (Rumors that Robin Lopez, Enez Kanter and Dedmon will get bought out)
Posted on 1/4/19 at 7:19 am to Soggymoss
I don't know whether it's a mandate from the top, or maybe even just a bargaining tool "I can't trade the first", but it appears to be there. So if your trade isn't bringing back Bradley Beal don't plan on using a 1st in it. Something like Randle/Moore and the buyout market are probably the Pels best bets for adding talent the way things are looking now.
There are 2 problems with the buyout market though. First, 3 of the wings I was thinking could be there are on teams fighting for the playoffs, Temple and Holiday now in Memphis and Matthews in Dallas. On top of that the Pels would be a hard enough sell to them as the 8 seed. They'll need to make up ground on their own before they have a shot at getting buyout market help.
With the exception of Washington falling apart, this season is going about as worst case as possible as far as external factors that could help the Pels.
There are 2 problems with the buyout market though. First, 3 of the wings I was thinking could be there are on teams fighting for the playoffs, Temple and Holiday now in Memphis and Matthews in Dallas. On top of that the Pels would be a hard enough sell to them as the 8 seed. They'll need to make up ground on their own before they have a shot at getting buyout market help.
With the exception of Washington falling apart, this season is going about as worst case as possible as far as external factors that could help the Pels.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 8:04 am to Soggymoss
quote:Is Beldsoe a leader? I thought he has had issues in the locker room in the past (i.e. malcontent).
Bledsoe could be that leader in the Rondo mold that we are missing..
Posted on 1/4/19 at 8:19 am to NOSHAU
quote:
i.e. malcontent
He basically went from part of a dynamic duo on a rising team to being a good veteran on a rebuilding team. Wanting out of that situation isn't really all that bad as far as attitude goes.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 8:22 am to NOSHAU
I don’t think he’s either truly. Not a leader, but also not a bad guy in any way. Is great friends with Cousins, which is amusing to me. I would have killed for Bledsoe last season lol. Now, meh. I like Payton honestly.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 8:35 am to Jon1798
I like Payton too and don't think Bledsoe is someone you have to bring back next year. To me the long term benefit here is changing Moore into Brogdon. Moore is the wing we have Brogdon is closer to the wing we need. He's bigger than Moore and is more of a creator while still having a respectable 3 point shot. He's still not your ideal starting SF, but he's a better starting SF than Moore.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 8:47 am to TigerinATL
quote:I would agree that Brodgon would be the future piece that we would be getting. How much he would cost to re-sign could be an issue.
I like Payton too and don't think Bledsoe is someone you have to bring back next year. To me the long term benefit here is changing Moore into Brogdon. Moore is the wing we have Brogdon is closer to the wing we need. He's bigger than Moore and is more of a creator while still having a respectable 3 point shot. He's still not your ideal starting SF, but he's a better starting SF than Moore.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 8:59 am to NOSHAU
quote:
How much he would cost to re-sign could be an issue.
He'll be an RFA and that tends to scare off most bidders. I would hope you'd be able to keep it in the ballpark of the MLE.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 9:03 am to TigerinATL
quote:That would be a relative bargain for him, especially if you could lock him up for 3-4 years at that level.
He'll be an RFA and that tends to scare off most bidders. I would hope you'd be able to keep it in the ballpark of the MLE.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 9:17 am to NOSHAU
Who knows, maybe by this summer the sting from contracts like Mozgov/Deng/Bazemore/Crabbe will have faded, but most people seem to think GMs have become more conservative since then because of how bad those deals became. Brogdon is kind of like Bazemore in that he's too small to be the starting SF on a high level team (unless you have Giannis to guard the LeBron's and KDs). I think his contract on the high end would be closer to Hill's than Bazemore and Crabbe. That's still a decent deal for what he is.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 10:09 am to TigerinATL
I may have spent too much time on this lol. But if they truly offered Brogdon, Maker and a second, what about:
Pels trade: Julius Randle and Wesley Johnson
Pels receive: Brogdon, Robin Lopez and a second(from Bucks)
For Pels- obviously we get the longer term piece in Brogdon, while also getting a true center to bolster our rebounding and defense from the bench. Second can go elsewhere if needed, but added bonus.
Bulls trade: Robin Lopez and Marshon Brooks
Bulls receive: Thon Maker, Jason Smith and Wesley Johnson
Bulls- they trade the expiring Lopez for expirings and a flyer on Thon Maker. Adds a young talent.
Bucks trade- Brogdon, Maker, Jason Smith and a second
Bucks get- Julius Randle and Marshon Brooks
Bucks- Same trade from OP, but one that actually works salary wise. I am guessing with the outside game of Brook Lopez, they are enamored with the inside game of Randle(not that he’s bad from outside either)
This would have to be two trades due to aggregation rules.
#1- Pels get Brogdon, Bucks get Marshon Brooks, Bulls get Maker (Brogdon into the Cunningham exception)
#2- Pels get Lopez, Bucks get Randle, Bulls get Wesley Johnson and Jason Smith
Is that too good to be true?
Pels trade: Julius Randle and Wesley Johnson
Pels receive: Brogdon, Robin Lopez and a second(from Bucks)
For Pels- obviously we get the longer term piece in Brogdon, while also getting a true center to bolster our rebounding and defense from the bench. Second can go elsewhere if needed, but added bonus.
Bulls trade: Robin Lopez and Marshon Brooks
Bulls receive: Thon Maker, Jason Smith and Wesley Johnson
Bulls- they trade the expiring Lopez for expirings and a flyer on Thon Maker. Adds a young talent.
Bucks trade- Brogdon, Maker, Jason Smith and a second
Bucks get- Julius Randle and Marshon Brooks
Bucks- Same trade from OP, but one that actually works salary wise. I am guessing with the outside game of Brook Lopez, they are enamored with the inside game of Randle(not that he’s bad from outside either)
This would have to be two trades due to aggregation rules.
#1- Pels get Brogdon, Bucks get Marshon Brooks, Bulls get Maker (Brogdon into the Cunningham exception)
#2- Pels get Lopez, Bucks get Randle, Bulls get Wesley Johnson and Jason Smith
Is that too good to be true?
Posted on 1/4/19 at 10:27 am to Jon1798
We would be getting the short end of the stick there, especially with Lopez being a buyout candidate...
Posted on 1/4/19 at 10:34 am to Soggymoss
I don’t see him getting bought out, and if he does, I certainly don’t see him coming here. So not sure how that really impacts anything. We are getting two rotation players for one this season, and long term pieces in Brogdon and the second.
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