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re: Solving the 5 spot.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 3:59 pm to NOFOX
Posted on 2/1/16 at 3:59 pm to NOFOX
Admittedly, I did not know much about the center's role in AG's offense. To be honest, Im still not really sure what type of guy fits best.
I figured Asik could play a role similar to what Bogut did for GS, and the fact that he was a better player last season than people gave him credit for. Asik was horrible those first 3 months, but played well in January (a correlation can also be made in games Asik played well and games we won).
If you told me we would get the Asik of the last week to ten days going forward, I would not mind him playing as our center. If not, he needs to go.
I figured Asik could play a role similar to what Bogut did for GS, and the fact that he was a better player last season than people gave him credit for. Asik was horrible those first 3 months, but played well in January (a correlation can also be made in games Asik played well and games we won).
If you told me we would get the Asik of the last week to ten days going forward, I would not mind him playing as our center. If not, he needs to go.
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Posted on 2/1/16 at 4:24 pm to GynoSandberg
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I figured Asik could play a role similar to what Bogut did for GS, and the fact that he was a better player last season than people gave him credit for.
Yup. Paying $9-11M (under a $90+M cap) for the next 4 years for that guy playing ~25MPG is fine. Still a flawed player, but you're getting some value back. And the risk is much lower with him than a guy like Biyombo for a team shooting for a top 4-6 seed.
Playing him < 20MPG for that price/years and the performance we've seen most of the year just won't cut it. He's been better recently, but forget Biyombo. Withey has been putting up similar numbers.
It's also a rest of the roster problem too. Asik can't play with Gee, yet how much time have they seen because there are just no other options? Same thing with Anderson- they are both too slow on defense. Not having more options to pair with him makes him even more of a liability.
This post was edited on 2/1/16 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 2/1/16 at 4:30 pm to TigerinATL
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Try to move Ryno for a solid SF + pick
This is where it gets tricky,
More like creative.
People need to realize "solid SF + pick" ain't happening for Anderson. Also need to start thinking about what his cap space will actually be able to fetch this summer.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 4:48 pm to GynoSandberg
Thanks. I'm lazy and was going off memory, but knew it was out there. My bad, you weren't one of the people down on Bioyombo and actually were okay with considering Bioymbo over AA. It was Galatic Inquisitor who thought I was ridiculous for saying Bioyombo could quickly be 90% of Asik.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 5:29 am to GynoSandberg
How about Alexis and Kendrick's role's on this team? It seems to me we have 3 centers cut out of the same mold, and none really "Fit", alas it's hard to tell for certain when they're all in and out of the line up with various injuries.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 6:47 am to craig8sm
If we pick 7th-9th area, Jakob Poeiltl is the answer.
This is assuming we can dump Asik for anything. In the few games i've seen, Poeltl is a Bogutesque player. Having a cheap C locked up for several years allows us to spend money elsewhere (say the 3).
This is assuming we can dump Asik for anything. In the few games i've seen, Poeltl is a Bogutesque player. Having a cheap C locked up for several years allows us to spend money elsewhere (say the 3).
Posted on 2/2/16 at 7:01 am to craig8sm
Perk is only here for leadership
AA is much much better offensively than Asik and they're really not that similar.
AA is much much better offensively than Asik and they're really not that similar.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 9:21 am to NOFOX
Biyombo was one i was talking about as well as Kevin Seraphin. Both are making under $3 million, and both would be better on this team than Asik.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 1:27 pm to TigerinATL
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You were never going to do much in FA this offseason anyway so his contract isn't a problem yet
Why is this the case? I thought the past 4 years we've been waiting for this offseason when Gordon comes off the books so we could have the $$ to try to attract quality players, or player. I don't understand why, Again, the Pels aren't in a position to make real movies in FA.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but IMO once Gordon's $15M is off the books we really have no "BAD" contracts holding us back. Yea Asik and Evans maybe aren't optimal, but nothing like the albatross of Gordon's max deal hell.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 1:30 pm to craig8sm
2017 honestly is the true target date
Posted on 2/2/16 at 1:39 pm to craig8sm
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Why is this the case?
All Free Agent markets are not created equal. Outside of KD this FA class is headlined by a bunch of B level guys like Nic Batum and Mike Conley in a year where each team is getting an extra $20 million in cap space. Lots of players are going to get way overpaid because the supply of cap space >>>>>> supply of good players.
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I thought the past 4 years we've been waiting for this offseason when Gordon comes off the books
And then Demps went and gave Asik and Ajinca a bunch of money. If we let Gordon/Ryno/Cole walk, that $26 million in salary only gets us about $18.5 million cap space. That might not even be enough to sign Batum, but even if it was, you've used all your money on Batum, which probably isn't a bad signing, but you also have to replace Gordon, Ryno and Cole and you only have the $2.7 million room exception to do it.
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Yea Asik and Evans maybe aren't optimal, but nothing like the albatross of Gordon's max deal hell.
AD is the contract that will start gumming up the works this offseason. He'll be worth it, but he's jumping from $7 to $25.
This post was edited on 2/2/16 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 2/2/16 at 1:44 pm to TigerinATL
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AD is the contract that will start gumming up the works this offseason. He'll be worth it, but he's jumping from $7 to $25
Right, that eats up all the space from Gordon expiring. Giving Asik the money we did means that if we want to sign a FA, we need to dump Ryno. People were hoping Gordon would opt out last summer which would have been ideal for us, but that was never happening.
The problem is we have no cheap contracts. Our only bargain contracts are for role players/backups. We have no one with real potential on a rookie deal because we draft poorly and trade away all of our picks.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 3:41 pm to TigerinATL
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AD is the contract that will start gumming up the works this offseason. He'll be worth it, but he's jumping from $7 to $25.
$25 is still in question.
Posted on 2/2/16 at 3:46 pm to Jester
$25 or $22 doesn't matter for the purposes of "where did all of our cap space go?"
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