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re: Solmon Hill to Pels 4yr/50 potential 2 mill for good behavior on line
Posted on 7/1/16 at 5:53 pm to Crewz
Posted on 7/1/16 at 5:53 pm to Crewz
MM look at my reply to you a few pages back. I threw a few stats out.
Again it's about development and him wanting to get better. For example if Qpon is healthy to start the year then Hill won't start. He'll be the first wing off the bench if tyreke is starting.
And. Once again. He's athletic and can d up against bigger guards at an above average level. This team has none of those type of players at his position.
Hell he shot over 50 percent inside the arc with no jumper. He's not a lost cause offensively and with those stats that Kush posted he looks like a steal compared to the other wings.
He can definitely be a 7th man or 6th man depending on how he develops his jumper. AD came in with no jumper and our guys got him shooting lights out from 15 feet in. That can happen on a smaller level to Hill.
Again it's about development and him wanting to get better. For example if Qpon is healthy to start the year then Hill won't start. He'll be the first wing off the bench if tyreke is starting.
And. Once again. He's athletic and can d up against bigger guards at an above average level. This team has none of those type of players at his position.
Hell he shot over 50 percent inside the arc with no jumper. He's not a lost cause offensively and with those stats that Kush posted he looks like a steal compared to the other wings.
He can definitely be a 7th man or 6th man depending on how he develops his jumper. AD came in with no jumper and our guys got him shooting lights out from 15 feet in. That can happen on a smaller level to Hill.
This post was edited on 7/1/16 at 5:56 pm
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Posted on 7/1/16 at 5:53 pm to LSUSaintsHornets
No shite. That's why I said Aminu contract last summer.
It's a risk. Every guy they could have realistically signed is a risk. For the money and Hill's age/skill set, it's not an awful risk.
It's a risk. Every guy they could have realistically signed is a risk. For the money and Hill's age/skill set, it's not an awful risk.
Posted on 7/1/16 at 5:54 pm to Fun Bunch
More potential? Yes. Will he realize that potential and play up to QPon's current level of play? I don't think so. Hope I'm wrong. I hope he is the next Lebron and can shoot lightening out of his dick.
Posted on 7/1/16 at 5:54 pm to LSUSaintsHornets
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You do understand that the near entirety of his career to this point HAS been below average?
42 G
33.9 MPG
11.1 PPG
4.8 RPG
2.6 APG
1.1 3PM
1.1 SPG
42.6 FG%
35.8 3P%
82.9 FT%
54.1 TS%
This is Hill's career numbers in games playing over 30 min.
Please note Kent Bazemore's numbers from last season. A guy everyone loved and who will make a lot more money than Hill
Posted on 7/1/16 at 5:54 pm to drake20
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It's just a depressing signing. Even if this guy winds up being slightly above average or average, and I agree that the evidence says otherwise, we are going to suck. There's no light at the end of the tunnel. Let's countdown the minutes until AD is a Laker.
nobody wants to be a laker.
Posted on 7/1/16 at 5:55 pm to GynoSandberg
Kaboom
Posted on 7/1/16 at 5:56 pm to corndeaux
Bottom line, this team put itself in a shitty position due to years of poor management and decisions. One summer of FA off a 30 win season was never, ever changing that.
Posted on 7/1/16 at 5:56 pm to VOR
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How about this. I deal with objective data and subjective points of view on a daily basis. There exists no reliable model to either support or refute your view of the signing, regardless of the meager data available. It's all pure speculation and emotion
So, just so I am clear - should we not project the future on any player? Every contract is therefore neither good or bad, because all things are equally possible? This means we should forgo all opinions then, right?
Of course its speculation. Everything about the future is. But there are realistic hypothesis and unlikely ones. Would you have said the same thing if we signed Batum and the projections were (rightly) positive?I doubt it, but that would have still been speculation, no?
Posted on 7/1/16 at 5:57 pm to Lester Earl
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Clearly there is a gamble there, but on paper it's a proactive signing rather than a reactive one. If he can play to a Kent Bazemore level over starter minutes, you are talking about similar players with Hill being $6-7 mil cheaper per year.
Ideally I'd want to fill out the roster with people on rookie scale contracts and replacement level guys and maintain flexibility. Obviously given ownership and Dell the pels can't do that so through that lens this signing isn't the end of the world and isn't killing our cap going forward.
Posted on 7/1/16 at 6:01 pm to drake20
I guess the team can't win here. Sign a known commodity and people will cry because of the price they command.
Sign an unknown with some potential at a somewhat lower rate and people still cry foul.
Either way, Demps will have the team he shaped and in the way he wanted. So we'll find out if this team is good enough to make a splash this year and where he stands as a GM.
I'd tell you what though, I like the mix of players on the roster. A lot of blue collar additions.
Sign an unknown with some potential at a somewhat lower rate and people still cry foul.
Either way, Demps will have the team he shaped and in the way he wanted. So we'll find out if this team is good enough to make a splash this year and where he stands as a GM.
I'd tell you what though, I like the mix of players on the roster. A lot of blue collar additions.
Posted on 7/1/16 at 6:01 pm to GynoSandberg
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42 G
33.9 MPG
11.1 PPG
4.8 RPG
2.6 APG
1.1 3PM
1.1 SPG
42.6 FG%
35.8 3P%
82.9 FT%
54.1 TS%
This is Hill's career numbers in games playing over 30 min.
Please note Kent Bazemore's numbers from last season. A guy everyone loved and who will make a lot more money than Hill
All those numbers scream league average
The advanced stats tell the same story. I'm not saying he will be 4 points and 3 rebounds with the pels he will probably be a small upgrade over Quincy. That doesn't make him more than an average defender and below average offensive player.This post was edited on 7/1/16 at 6:07 pm
Posted on 7/1/16 at 6:01 pm to LSUSaintsHornets
You want to sign guys that will continue in making us suck? So we can maintain flexibility for players that aren't going to sign with us in FA?
With that logic we couldn't trade for them either if we have shite players.
With that logic we couldn't trade for them either if we have shite players.
Posted on 7/1/16 at 6:05 pm to whatiknowsofar
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You want to sign guys that will continue in making us suck?
Solomon Hill is slightly better than replacement level on defense and worse on offense and spending 12 million on him instead of the league minimum is the answer then?
Posted on 7/1/16 at 6:09 pm to LSUSaintsHornets
Well wings are always at a premium in this league. Hence the 12 per.
He's improved offensively every year he's played. I'd throw out the season he started because he had no help and without a jumpers guys will just sag off you and clog the paint.
He still shot over 50 percent from inside the arc last year without a jumper. He isn't a lost cause at 24.
He's improved offensively every year he's played. I'd throw out the season he started because he had no help and without a jumpers guys will just sag off you and clog the paint.
He still shot over 50 percent from inside the arc last year without a jumper. He isn't a lost cause at 24.
Posted on 7/1/16 at 6:14 pm to whatiknowsofar
Agree with all that. But you give 4-6 percent of your cap to guys like that you are taking a flyer on. Not 12. Atlanta, for instance, took flyers on Carroll and Bazemore and they worked out (dozens don't work out). But when they signed those guys, they gave them about 4 percent of the cap.
Now, if Hill blows up like they did, the Pels will look even smarter because they will have him cost controlled for 4 years and have Bird Rights. But if he fails, it will hurt them far more also. It's risk/reward, I get it. But I would have mitigated the risk more. I don't "hate" the guy, but it will likely be the wrong move. Such is life.
Now, if Hill blows up like they did, the Pels will look even smarter because they will have him cost controlled for 4 years and have Bird Rights. But if he fails, it will hurt them far more also. It's risk/reward, I get it. But I would have mitigated the risk more. I don't "hate" the guy, but it will likely be the wrong move. Such is life.
Posted on 7/1/16 at 6:15 pm to LSUSaintsHornets
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All those numbers scream league average
K, just want to be clear here, we aren't ok with a league average 25 year old SF (with upside) for 12% of our cap?
Posted on 7/1/16 at 6:16 pm to GynoSandberg
I would be, but your opponent was wrong. He has not been league average -- even if you project his small ssmple size to something larger.
But yes, IF he is league average, I would be very, very happy.
But yes, IF he is league average, I would be very, very happy.
Posted on 7/1/16 at 6:17 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Well wings are always at a premium in this league. Hence the 12 per.
No doubt
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He's improved offensively every year he's played. I'd throw out the season he started because he had no help and without a jumpers guys will just sag off you and clog the paint.
Won't dispute that, but will reiterate that even with that improvement he has no history as a positive offensive player. His best future is probably as a player who wont kill you on offense and can switch and play multiple positions on the other end. The market price for that is at least 12 million in the current market but there is no guarantee he reaches that and the open market isn't the best way to obtain cap friendly talent.
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He isn't a lost cause at 24.
I don't think so either. Just saying we could easily hate this signing in 2 years.
Posted on 7/1/16 at 6:18 pm to Crewz
We can't mitigate our risks as much as you'd like because we have to overpay due to our past suckage.
I don't know if 6 percent more is a really high overpay but man dellavadova got 9 per and lin got 12 per. Those guys are straight bums. I know it isn't the same position but hell the Hill signing is right now one of the better FA acquisitions we could have gotten.
I don't know if 6 percent more is a really high overpay but man dellavadova got 9 per and lin got 12 per. Those guys are straight bums. I know it isn't the same position but hell the Hill signing is right now one of the better FA acquisitions we could have gotten.
Posted on 7/1/16 at 6:20 pm to Crewz
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I would be, but your opponent was wrong. He has not been league average -- even if you project his small ssmple size to something larger.
But yes, IF he is league average, I would be very, very happy.
I said he was league average on defense, and could charitably be called league average with pondexter.
This post was edited on 7/1/16 at 6:21 pm
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