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re: Solmon Hill to Pels 4yr/50 potential 2 mill for good behavior on line
Posted on 7/1/16 at 5:34 pm to Crewz
Posted on 7/1/16 at 5:34 pm to Crewz
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I can see why people rarely go against the grain on this board. It's pointless. There is no quality conversation. You just get called a hater and strawmen ensue
You've offered nothing as to why Hill will be below average
And you thrive off the straw man argument
No one is hating on you. Get over it.
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Posted on 7/1/16 at 5:35 pm to Crewz
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Just to be clear, yu guys know the cap is gonna go back down in 2018, right? So he will be right at or a little above 12% his last 2 years.
Not that it matters a ton, but I don't like how people act like we all dont know the cap went up. We get it. I wrote about it for years. But 12% should get you a 5th-7th man who not just gets the minutes of a 5th-7th man, but produces at an above avg level. I don't think Hill gets to that point, but we shall see
I actually did not know that. So I take back that part of my point. And yes, I knew you were aware of the cap situation. I wasn't making that point because I thought you forgot.
Posted on 7/1/16 at 5:35 pm to Lester Earl
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Does he suck at D?
No, but he's not much better than average and doesn't add much on the other side of the ball either. He probably won't be more than 10-15% better than Pondexter.
Posted on 7/1/16 at 5:36 pm to Crewz
So basically you are saying
quote:
can see why people rarely go against the grain on this board. It's pointless. There is no quality conversation. You just get called a hater and strawmen ensue
Posted on 7/1/16 at 5:37 pm to GynoSandberg
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You've offered nothing as to why Hill will be below average
You do understand that the near entirety of his career to this point HAS been below average?
Posted on 7/1/16 at 5:38 pm to LSUSaintsHornets
Pondexter coming off his last half season with the Pels would be getting just as much if not more in this market
Posted on 7/1/16 at 5:38 pm to GynoSandberg
Literally everything in his past says below average. What do I need to show?
I don't get why the burden of proof is on the guy saying that the player who averaged 4/3, whose team declined a cheap option 10 months ago, and who did absolutely nothing of signifigance outside of hitting some 3's in a series - is not good. That's insane to me.
He hit a couple of open 3's in a series. He was 25% from 2 by the way in that same series. He didn't do anything else really well.
Look, you guys won't change my mind and I won't change yours. It doesn't matter. Hope your optimism pays off. Leave me and my realism be. Thanks
I don't get why the burden of proof is on the guy saying that the player who averaged 4/3, whose team declined a cheap option 10 months ago, and who did absolutely nothing of signifigance outside of hitting some 3's in a series - is not good. That's insane to me.
He hit a couple of open 3's in a series. He was 25% from 2 by the way in that same series. He didn't do anything else really well.
Look, you guys won't change my mind and I won't change yours. It doesn't matter. Hope your optimism pays off. Leave me and my realism be. Thanks
Posted on 7/1/16 at 5:41 pm to Lester Earl
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Pondexter coming off his last half season with the Pels would be getting just as much if not more in this market
Both players are slightly above replacement level if we are being charitable. Simply saying it's not ideal but hoping it works.
Posted on 7/1/16 at 5:41 pm to Crewz
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Look, you guys won't change my mind and I won't change yours. It doesn't matter. Hope your optimism pays off. Leave me and my realism be. Thanks
Such quality conversation
Posted on 7/1/16 at 5:43 pm to EarthwormJim
Bring some QUALITY, and I will re-engage.
Not optimism. Not hope. Real talk, and we can have it. If people are just going to have rose colored glasses, it's pointless. But I'm not holding my breath.
Not optimism. Not hope. Real talk, and we can have it. If people are just going to have rose colored glasses, it's pointless. But I'm not holding my breath.
Posted on 7/1/16 at 5:44 pm to Chad504boy
So this is our first FA signing...a end of the bench guy.
Posted on 7/1/16 at 5:46 pm to NorthshoreTiger76
He's not an end if the bench guy. When he got minutes with Ind he produced. Small sample size. Big risk. Big reward. It is what it is.
Posted on 7/1/16 at 5:47 pm to Crewz
How much different is this than the Aminu contract last year?
Posted on 7/1/16 at 5:47 pm to Crewz
How about this. I deal with objective data and subjective points of view on a daily basis. There exists no reliable model to either support or refute your view of the signing, regardless of the meager data available. It's all pure speculation and emotion
Posted on 7/1/16 at 5:47 pm to NorthshoreTiger76
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a end of the bench guy.
He's an end of bench guy for a contending team, but for us he might start given injuries and the lack of talent at the wing.
Posted on 7/1/16 at 5:48 pm to LSUSaintsHornets
Clearly there is a gamble there, but on paper it's a proactive signing rather than a reactive one. If he can play to a Kent Bazemore level over starter minutes, you are talking about similar players with Hill being $6-7 mil cheaper per year.
Posted on 7/1/16 at 5:49 pm to LSUSaintsHornets
If he is better than QPon, that's a win. I hope he will be but I don't think he will be.
Posted on 7/1/16 at 5:50 pm to corndeaux
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How much different is this than the Aminu contract last year?
For every Aminu there is an Earl Clark, but people just forget about wings with "potential" who don't improve. Just don't act like it's a forgone conclusion Hill is on the Aminu/Crowder/Carroll path.
This post was edited on 7/1/16 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 7/1/16 at 5:52 pm to touchdownjeebus
He has more potential than Q. Better size (slightly), younger, less injury history, more of a 3/4 swing which is a bit more useful IMO, able to defend a much wider range of players.
We will see if he develops.
We will see if he develops.
Posted on 7/1/16 at 5:52 pm to touchdownjeebus
It's just a depressing signing. Even if this guy winds up being slightly above average or average, and I agree that the evidence says otherwise, we are going to suck. There's no light at the end of the tunnel. Let's countdown the minutes until AD is a Laker.
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