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re: SI’s latest mock, based on rumors and buzz, has Shaedon Sharpe falling to us at 8.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 4:20 pm to Macintosh
Posted on 6/6/22 at 4:20 pm to Macintosh
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Griffin is dropping on boards. I’d be very surprised if he’s picked top 8
the highest I have really seen him is 6, with a lot of mocks more at the 7-9 range, which is why I was saying 2B Tier 3 Bubble.
Cause I could see him falling behind a couple guys I listed as perceived tier 3 guys, though also have read of Griffin being a guy that other teams may trade into spots to grab if he falls to 7-9. So not sure how far he'd fall.
And honestly, all this talk of Sharpe and it feels more like Griffin is the guy I would most expect to fall into the 8 range before Sharpe(maybe even further)...Even though I would love for Sharpe to fall.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 6/6/22 at 4:24 pm to Bronc
I think the questions with Griffin are medical.
He was injured to start his only college season and missed two seasons of HS ball with lower body injuries.
If our guys look at this and figure out that the issues are either not going to reoccur or are something that can be fixed, I see him as a maybe.
Given our history of unbelievably fragile players, though, I prefer to avoid people with known injury issues.
He was injured to start his only college season and missed two seasons of HS ball with lower body injuries.
If our guys look at this and figure out that the issues are either not going to reoccur or are something that can be fixed, I see him as a maybe.
Given our history of unbelievably fragile players, though, I prefer to avoid people with known injury issues.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 5:17 pm to teke184
ringer
sounds like the kings want a player (not a pick) to move down. wonder if hayes is someone they'd consider
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6. Could the Kings Trade Down? League sources say the Kings are looking for a win-now player with the fourth pick, whether they draft one or deal the pick to acquire one. Trading out of the draft is a possibility, but so is moving down. Sources say Sacramento is willing to move back for a lower pick and a player who would fit into the same trajectory as De’Aaron Fox, Domantas Sabonis, and Davion Mitchell. With so many possibilities, it’s hard to imagine what the deal would look like.
Could it involve acquiring the sixth pick and Malcolm Brogdon from the Pacers? Or maybe T.J. Warren in a sign-and-trade? How about Josh Hart and the seventh pick from Portland? The Spurs have a ton of good young guys nearing the end of their rookie contracts. Plenty of teams can make competitive offers if they choose, which should lead to plenty of buzz ahead of draft night.
sounds like the kings want a player (not a pick) to move down. wonder if hayes is someone they'd consider
Posted on 6/6/22 at 5:23 pm to cgrand
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same trajectory as De’Aaron Fox, Domantas Sabonis, and Davion Mitchell.
An early lottery team lol?
Seems like any of the young'uns would keep them right on target!
...It really is amazing every time I read Kings anything, just how dysfunctional they continue to be. Always reading the winds and deciding to go the opposite direction every signal should be telling you.
Sacramento, even healthy, could legit be the worst team in the West next season.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 6/6/22 at 5:27 pm to Bronc
Griffin being available at 8 wouldn't be him "falling".
Serious concerns about his injury history, athleticism, and defense.
Serious concerns about his injury history, athleticism, and defense.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 5:29 pm to Bronc
said this earlier, and why i kept saying we should trade up to get Ivey.
If Jaxson and a future first gets you Ivey, you do it, but i'm sure they are looking for something better than that.
Sac will do something dumb.
If Jaxson and a future first gets you Ivey, you do it, but i'm sure they are looking for something better than that.
Sac will do something dumb.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 5:39 pm to TeddyPadillac
yes Ivey would be the guy you go get at 4.
Hayes plus a future pick
Hayes plus a future pick
Posted on 6/6/22 at 6:14 pm to Fun Bunch
I’m on the fence with this whole Sharpe deal. In a way, this reminds me of the Mitchell Robinson situation with less red flags.
Both Uber athletic freaky guys that didn’t play college ball. Both somewhat had character concerns, but at their core are probably actually good kids. (I can say this more about Mitch, than Sharpe). I have less insight on Sharpe personally. My bro played against Mitch in high school, so I know more about him.
Mitch was actually 1-2 years older than Sharpe when he got drafted. Mitch has panned as a quality nba role player despite the weirdness in college and playing a much different role in High School than he does in the NBA and he’s not quite in the same tier of Sharpe as a prospect.
Mitch got picked early round 2, so the risk reward aspect was different as well.
You really have to be sure about a kid to pick him top 10.
But what I am trying to outline here is this situation isn’t completely unprecendented and it’s worked out pretty well recently. The only thing preventing Mitch from being a surefire Top 10 in a redraft of his class, has been some unfortunate injuries.
The face to face interviews are what I would put the most Stock into in terms of making this decision if Sharpe is there at 8. Nothing else matters. He has the talent. Are you comfortable with the person? If you are, you take him. If not, you trade out of the pick.
Both Uber athletic freaky guys that didn’t play college ball. Both somewhat had character concerns, but at their core are probably actually good kids. (I can say this more about Mitch, than Sharpe). I have less insight on Sharpe personally. My bro played against Mitch in high school, so I know more about him.
Mitch was actually 1-2 years older than Sharpe when he got drafted. Mitch has panned as a quality nba role player despite the weirdness in college and playing a much different role in High School than he does in the NBA and he’s not quite in the same tier of Sharpe as a prospect.
Mitch got picked early round 2, so the risk reward aspect was different as well.
You really have to be sure about a kid to pick him top 10.
But what I am trying to outline here is this situation isn’t completely unprecendented and it’s worked out pretty well recently. The only thing preventing Mitch from being a surefire Top 10 in a redraft of his class, has been some unfortunate injuries.
The face to face interviews are what I would put the most Stock into in terms of making this decision if Sharpe is there at 8. Nothing else matters. He has the talent. Are you comfortable with the person? If you are, you take him. If not, you trade out of the pick.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 6/6/22 at 6:22 pm to Fun Bunch
I wouldn’t pass. We have a good roster, I would take the chance on Sharpe at 8.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 6:28 pm to Bronc
A shite ownership who puts in a shite front office gets a shite team.
Their owner is an idiot who thinks he is a basketball genius. In turn, he hires a bunch of asshats with no front office experience then make mistake after mistake that they didn’t need to.
Besides passing on Luka for Bagley, they have repeatedly swung and missed on shooters like Ben McLemore, Jimmer Fredette, and Nik Stauskas.
The latter one cost them a first dumping them because they were so dumb they didn’t realize they could stretch-waive him instead of paying Philly to take him.
The Maloof brothers were just cheap and looking to stay profitable. Vivek is retarded and it is continuing to hold the team back by pushing policies that are questionable and constantly wanting shooting wings when they keep whiffing on their choices.
They either can’t identify talent or have no idea how to develop it.
Their owner is an idiot who thinks he is a basketball genius. In turn, he hires a bunch of asshats with no front office experience then make mistake after mistake that they didn’t need to.
Besides passing on Luka for Bagley, they have repeatedly swung and missed on shooters like Ben McLemore, Jimmer Fredette, and Nik Stauskas.
The latter one cost them a first dumping them because they were so dumb they didn’t realize they could stretch-waive him instead of paying Philly to take him.
The Maloof brothers were just cheap and looking to stay profitable. Vivek is retarded and it is continuing to hold the team back by pushing policies that are questionable and constantly wanting shooting wings when they keep whiffing on their choices.
They either can’t identify talent or have no idea how to develop it.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 7:53 pm to Fun Bunch
There’s also the chance he’s warning teams off who aren’t on an obvious upward trajectory. If I’m Sharpe, I’d wanna be on a team I can learn for a while and then carve out my fortune just in time for my payday second contract to arrive.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 8:50 pm to Fun Bunch
I don't remember which coach said it (maybe more than one), but the quote was essentially..."it's not the guys you don't get that hurt you, it's the ones you do get that can't play".
One thing that I think is noteworthy re: Sharpe is he smoked at most of the EYBL and Peachjam stuff...scored efficiently and a bunch. So it's not like he is just a big frame, big vertical jump guy that needs to learn to play basketball.
One thing that I think is noteworthy re: Sharpe is he smoked at most of the EYBL and Peachjam stuff...scored efficiently and a bunch. So it's not like he is just a big frame, big vertical jump guy that needs to learn to play basketball.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 8:54 pm to teke184
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Vivek is retarded
Lol
This seems like the biggest issue.
Their owner seems to just live on emotion and swing wildly and what he wants is dictated downward regardless of what the context and situation of the team is currently.
He wants to experience playoff basketball for his own sake so he’s demanding it, even though the foundation to truly have it isn’t there. So what we are getting is a franchise trying to appease the owner with their actions knowing full well it can’t actually achieve the stated goals. But he’s not going to accept any less than hearing what he wants to hear imo.
He is the closest thing in this era that reminds me of Ted Stepien(racism aside), someone so arrogant and selfishly motivated, so incapable of understanding how to run a winning NBA organization, that he can’t get out of his own way and just let people do their jobs, so we get an endless cycle of him fricking everything up time and again and learning all the wrong lessons because his impatience overrides rationality.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 6/7/22 at 5:35 am to Bronc
Kings are in a great spot and should be aiming at the playoffs. They have two great young potential AllStars and a bunch of movable deals to facilitate a big signing, plus #4.
I don't see doom and gloom with them, just a lot of unsettled possibilities. They are about to do something big..
I don't see doom and gloom with them, just a lot of unsettled possibilities. They are about to do something big..
Posted on 6/7/22 at 6:03 am to brmark70816
Sometimes I think you just take positions to be contrarian and have something to entertain yourself with lol…
There are maybe 2, 3 teams at most(depending on what happens with the Jazz) that the Kings have a stronger roster than if the west is mostly healthy next season. That’s it.
Their roster lacks balance, depth, and their top end talent is of a lesser quality than most of the vast majority of the West's top end talent. And that’s me assuming they don’t screw up the 4th pick as an asset and add a positive contributor at one of the positions of need.
There are maybe 2, 3 teams at most(depending on what happens with the Jazz) that the Kings have a stronger roster than if the west is mostly healthy next season. That’s it.
Their roster lacks balance, depth, and their top end talent is of a lesser quality than most of the vast majority of the West's top end talent. And that’s me assuming they don’t screw up the 4th pick as an asset and add a positive contributor at one of the positions of need.
This post was edited on 6/7/22 at 7:17 am
Posted on 6/7/22 at 6:47 am to Bronc
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Their roster lacks balance, depth, and their top end talent is of a lesser quality than most of the vast majority of the Wests top end talent
It's a mess right now. But the elements are there. Fox and Sabonis are foundational pieces. They have the ability to take on a max level deal without losing either of those, plus hold onto #4.
It's fun to play with their roster and find the best pieces that will vault them into the top 10 in the West (not really that hard). I am guessing they will draft Ivey, resign Divencenzo and Lyles, then look to flip Barnes and possibly Mitchell for a wing.
They only need a 6-8 game improvement to make the play-in. Seems more than doable. Given their history, I could see them taking a huge swing (Harden), which would change everything. They are desperate to win..
Posted on 6/7/22 at 7:05 am to brmark70816
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Given their history, I could see them taking a huge swing (Harden), which would change everything.
The kings are not signing/trading for James Harden. This shite is why you come off here as clownish.
now...that doesn’t mean they won’t go whale hunting. Donovan Mitchell for example
Posted on 6/7/22 at 7:13 am to cgrand
Hes a frickin idiot, every single take is bad. Hes not a troll just literally clueless. This place needs a block function so bad....
This post was edited on 6/7/22 at 7:14 am
Posted on 6/7/22 at 7:31 am to brmark70816
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Fox and Sabonis are foundational pieces.
Disagree
If those are your two best players your ceiling is first round exit. And that's assuming you surround both with great complimentary pieces, which the Kings have not.
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They have the ability to take on a max level deal without losing either of those, plus hold onto #4.
Not sure if you looked at the FA pool, but there is no one that 1.) Is really available AND 2.) That would go to the Kings. Zach Lavine is not walking from the Bulls to play for the Kings for instance.
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I could see them taking a huge swing (Harden)
1.) Harden would force his way out in a month
2.) They would have to give up either Sabonis or Fox(neither of which Philly needs), and Philly would be getting worse.
Fact is the smartest play The Kings could make is:
1.) Go back in time and undo the Sabonis deal and focus on stacking talent and rebuilding properly
since that is impossible
2.) See if you can trade back, take Keegan Murray and get someone to fill the hole losing Hield/Haliburton created
or
3.) Take BPA like Ivey and eventually try and package Fox for a more complimentary guard and go back to building organically.
But, really, the Kings signed their letter of intent to perpetual mediocrity when they made the Sabonis deal. There really is no easy out of their mess unless Sharpe or Jaden are the next superstar and they take them.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 7:44 am to smoke225
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This place needs a block function so bad....
Yet you love following me around to bash on me constantly. You could just ignore me, but you are a buzzkill and really love to attack people. Let's be honest, you are just looking for a fight, straight up. Love calling people names and adore drama, like a lady. I appreciate the thoughts though and thank you for your interest..
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