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re: Shams says Pelicans are “aggressively pursuing” a top 2-3 pick for Scoot
Posted on 6/15/23 at 7:21 pm to Pels_Yaz
Posted on 6/15/23 at 7:21 pm to Pels_Yaz
My IQ analogy also works, albeit I could have worded it better. A 135 iq still has to put in the work to be smart, and him getting cracked in the head later in life might frick that up, but today his iq is 135. Today his potential is to become a smart dude
This post was edited on 6/15/23 at 7:22 pm
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Posted on 6/15/23 at 7:23 pm to Pels_Yaz
Trade Zion for Scoot, Richards, and pick/pick swaps.
The team has been built around someone who is derailing the team from success with constant injury issues. He has not appeared to come across as truly serious.
The Pels need to reset with another young star prospect. They can then also can focus on it heing BI’s team and work to develop Trey, Herb, and Dyson.
The team has been built around someone who is derailing the team from success with constant injury issues. He has not appeared to come across as truly serious.
The Pels need to reset with another young star prospect. They can then also can focus on it heing BI’s team and work to develop Trey, Herb, and Dyson.
This post was edited on 6/15/23 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 6/15/23 at 7:38 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
You’re pretty thick headed yourself. You’re right athletes are drafted on their potential but AGAIN their injuries are factored in as part of their potential.
Now you’re saying your potential is the same as your potential ceiling. Two completely different concepts. Potential ceiling is reaching the max capacity of your potential. Not the same as your potential.
We can agree to disagree but to me injuries and availability are incorporated as part of your potential but to reach your ceiling the injury aspect part of your potential would need to be minimized substantially.
Now you’re saying your potential is the same as your potential ceiling. Two completely different concepts. Potential ceiling is reaching the max capacity of your potential. Not the same as your potential.
We can agree to disagree but to me injuries and availability are incorporated as part of your potential but to reach your ceiling the injury aspect part of your potential would need to be minimized substantially.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 7:45 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:Yes, they can. But he does have the capacity to do so.
Clearly injuries can negate him being a MVP.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 7:48 pm to tibebecolston
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Bro, I can all but guarantee you that Charlotte would give the 2 pick for Zion. “Fans, we said no to taking a superstar generational talent from our area because we can get Scoot.” Mmmk
I've spent the last few days watching nothing but Portland and Charlotte boards and podcasts talking about potentionally trading with the Pelicans. Half of them don't want anything to do with Zion and view him as a negative asset. The others love the talent, but think it's a big gamble. I haven't seen one yet clamoring to get Zion and wanting to throw us a huge package.
Now national media are echoing the same sentiment. But our fans still think he has tremendous value after playing 30 games in 2 seasons and is still overweight.
Can we agree at some point his value is going to start to decline?
If so, when does that happen? If he is so valuable and potentionally available, where are the massive trade offers? The Jazz got two last year. Where are ours?
Posted on 6/15/23 at 7:49 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
Honestly I get what you’re trying to say but maybe your not wording it right. But before you mentioned the higher IQ guy having the capacity of having more knowledge than someone with a lower IQ and now you’re just talking about one person with a high IQ to become smart if it wasnt for a traumatic head injury. Maybe we just stick to potential in basketball athletes which we disagree on how thats factored in by people.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 7:51 pm to brmark70816
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Half of them don't want anything to do with Zion and view him as a negative asset
If that is where you're betting your information from, buddy I got news for you... You're doing it wrong.
quote:The Pels have given exactly zero indication that he's available hence there are no offers.
If he is so valuable and potentionally available, where are the massive trade offers?
Posted on 6/15/23 at 7:55 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:Agree. I agree with his main premise but the IQ comparison didn't work for me.
Honestly I get what you’re trying to say but maybe your not wording it right
Granted, I don't think a hypothetical is needed as it's straight forward, but I'd say it's like having arguably the fastest race car in a league, but that car breaks down 3 out of every 4 races.
But that car does have the capacity to be the best car in the field.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 8:05 pm to shel311
It definitely wasn’t perfect, but I was running out of ideas once he starting trying to refute posts where I just copy/pasted the Webster dictionary definition of words
This post was edited on 6/15/23 at 8:06 pm
Posted on 6/15/23 at 8:06 pm to shel311
Sure Zion has the capacity to do that if his ability to stay on the court is maximized. He also has the capacity to be overweight, out of shape as well and miss a substantial amount of games. Its silly at this point but either of us can pick at words and place it in a way to better our argument. What I was orginalky stating was that his injury history is a substantial factor in his potential.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 8:08 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
Lol its all in fun man. I enjoy the back and forth.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 8:10 pm to Pels_Yaz
That’s all I was ever trying to say dude. Everyone on this board knows the injury concerns. When someone says “he has mvp potential” they know very well that injuries could prevent that potential future outcome, but that he has the ability should be part of the equation
Posted on 6/15/23 at 8:10 pm to Pels_Yaz
If Zion in his current form was in this draft he goes no. 2. No one is taking fricking scoot Henderson over Zion
Posted on 6/15/23 at 8:12 pm to ghost2most
Are we factoring in all his injuries in first 4 seasons or just Duke Zion? Because those are two completely different Zions.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 8:13 pm to ghost2most
Sorry just read you said current form. A lot of these teams look at injuries in regards to who to draft. I think there would be debate considering Scoot has been relatively healthy. Not saying I would pick Scoot, just saying his injury history would make a big difference.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 8:17 pm to shel311
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If that is where you're betting your information from, buddy I got news for you... You're doing it wrong.
I'm getting my news from everywhere and they are all saying just about the same thing. This board is the only place that believes he is still a high level asset. All of his value is based on potential, not production.
Just so we're clear. Let's say we offer Zion to the Hornets. In your opinion, what all could we get for him?
Posted on 6/15/23 at 8:20 pm to brmark70816
I agree with you on this. Probably why people think I’m you because god forbid you don’t think like the majority of the board or fan base lol
Posted on 6/15/23 at 8:51 pm to brmark70816
quote:Everywhere is saying that Zion is a negative asset?
I'm getting my news from everywhere and they are all saying just about the same thing
Is that a fact too? Because it's woefully incorrect.
quote:#2 and more.
Let's say we offer Zion to the Hornets. In your opinion, what all could we get for him?
Posted on 6/15/23 at 8:59 pm to brmark70816
Teams would trade for zion tom.
You're telling me mj wouldn't give up the #2 pick for zion
You're telling me mj wouldn't give up the #2 pick for zion
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