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re: Shams says Pelicans are “aggressively pursuing” a top 2-3 pick for Scoot
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:12 am to Pels_Yaz
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:12 am to Pels_Yaz
quote:We do?
Well we honestly know option 3 results
Denver had 6 years of Jokic/Murray, including lots of injury concerns for Murray. They didn't give up on that core.
Also, you say you know the results of 1 option then choose the option that still keeps Zion as our best player...does that mean we know that option will be a failed option too, since Zion is always hurt? Or are you choosing your option but assuming the best while assuming the worst in the option you did not choose?
This post was edited on 6/13/23 at 10:15 am
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:14 am to Fun Bunch
Maybe there is truth to Moriah saying the team doesn't like him.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:17 am to Pels_Yaz
quote:Again, you chose option 1, which is all dependent on healthy, and Zion hasn't stayed healthy.
Well option 3 is all dependent on health and in 4 years they couldn’t stay healthy
quote:Same goes for option 1, the past will tell you Zion will miss games again too.
I mean we could try 4 more years but the past will tell you we’ll get both of them missing games again.
You have to treat both options the same and be realistic about it. It's silly to say 1 option won't work because we've seen it and injuries, then choose another option that is entirely dependent on the same exact thing, that also hasn't worked for 4 years.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:17 am to supe12sta12z
I mean it might make sense for Zion to go to North Carolina and be "back home", and with Jordan until he sells the team, etc.
But I would want far more than the 2nd pick and say Gordon Hayward for Zion (and 14?).
I'd need future picks.
But I would want far more than the 2nd pick and say Gordon Hayward for Zion (and 14?).
I'd need future picks.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:18 am to TigerinATL
Wow, this backs up what I heard that we were actually discussing Zion. Not that this confirms it particularly, but I just didn’t believe it truly. Really starting to wonder now. I’ll just continue to go on the record that I love Scoot, and absolutely see why we would go pretty far to make it happen.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:18 am to supe12sta12z
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Maybe there is truth to Moriah saying the team doesn't like him.
He did let the whole team down. That meme someone created with the other 4 starters on one side saying "Zion we need you for the playoff run" and Zion on the other side saying "I'm trying to get with a porn star" seems to be a fairly accurate retelling of events in hindsight.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:20 am to shel311
You might lose Herb or Trey because with new CBA you likely cant afford the deals if you keep the trio if CJ, BI and Zion.
Losing cap flexibility for 2 years matters a lot. You cant improve your team at all even with midseason trades. You dont judt shrug your shoulders at that.
Your argument on defending why they havent left first round should want you to do thus trade. Because if Zion misses games again and we miss playoffs, now we’re a cheaper and havr cap flexibility to fix it otherwise we’re overpaying for a mediocre unhealthy team.
Bucks added Jrue to their core and won the whole thing. Didnt really wait 4 years. Nuggets waited but that team has a 2 time mvp and made playoff every year even with their injuries. A lot more potential shown than Pelicans.
A lot of your arguments are not taking into account the new CBA. Your acting like its business as usual, its really not. I don’t promote articles, but Shamit article on the new CBA is really helpful in this regard.
Losing cap flexibility for 2 years matters a lot. You cant improve your team at all even with midseason trades. You dont judt shrug your shoulders at that.
Your argument on defending why they havent left first round should want you to do thus trade. Because if Zion misses games again and we miss playoffs, now we’re a cheaper and havr cap flexibility to fix it otherwise we’re overpaying for a mediocre unhealthy team.
Bucks added Jrue to their core and won the whole thing. Didnt really wait 4 years. Nuggets waited but that team has a 2 time mvp and made playoff every year even with their injuries. A lot more potential shown than Pelicans.
A lot of your arguments are not taking into account the new CBA. Your acting like its business as usual, its really not. I don’t promote articles, but Shamit article on the new CBA is really helpful in this regard.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:21 am to shel311
quote:they also showed some success multiple times and made the playoffs consistently. We haven’t.
Denver had 6 years of Jokic/Murray, including lots of injury concerns for Murray. They didn't give up on that core.
This post was edited on 6/13/23 at 10:22 am
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:21 am to shel311
Stop comparing the Nuggets to thus core. Jokic was a 2 time MVP and made playoffs every year even with injuries. Pelicabs haven’t shown anything close to that. Your analogies are so off base dude.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:21 am to Pels_Yaz
Replacing Zion with Scoot is a drastic step up in personality. I would want to know the “next” move. Like could you make a play for Siakim or someone I’m not thinking. You have everything you need to make whatever team you want really.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:22 am to Pels_Yaz
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Lot of players do ISO ball and honestly needed in playoffs but I agree Ingram hasnt really hit that super elite level many hoped for hence why his name is coming up now.
I agree he hasn't hit that consistently but what BI did in that suns series was elite. 27/6/6 on 48/41/83 and thats with no Zion. I really think BI is on the same level as Jamal Murray who was just the #2 on a title team.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:23 am to TigerinATL
The thing that stands out to me when Shams was providing an update this morning, he said the Pelicans felt Scoot was a "Franchise" and "culture setting" guard. That's gotta be deliberate.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:24 am to PELsu
quote:I wasn't speaking to how to review Scoot's game, just the numbers itself and why the 27.5% number is the figure most people see.
But….. it’s not. It’s excluding nearly 25% of the g league games he played last season.
Not trying to take a shot at Baron but his post read like people were just being lazy or doing it wrong by saying "somehow" the 27.5% number came about and people don't know how to read G League stats.
If you go directly to the G League website and check Scoot's #s, it shows 27.5%. Same with BRef, same with 1 or 2 other places.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:25 am to Balsamic_duck
I feel he should be better than Murray. When Jokic doesnt play stats show that team is utter trash with only Murray being the number one. I understand they won the championship but Murray hasnt even made an all star game or led his team to playoffs without Jokic. BI has done that so I guess I expect more out of BI.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:25 am to Fun Bunch
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I'll also point out that Scoot was the youngest GLeague Player of all time, at 17, and has 2 years of GL experience. So he's had professional coaching for 2 years, and his shooting form look fine to me, nothing crazy mechanical.
He should be able to improve the 3P%, one would think.
Scoot's 3p% will get better. He's been shooting from NBA distance for 2 years, his shot isn't broken or anything and he is borderline elite in the midrange. I don't see him as a 40% guy but he should be ~36% in his prime
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:26 am to supe12sta12z
I just do not believe that Griffin would leak something like this, this far out.'
Either there's some other plan afoot, or its 100% Charlotte leaks trying to get huge offers.
Either there's some other plan afoot, or its 100% Charlotte leaks trying to get huge offers.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:27 am to PELsu
Agree, whether we make this trade or not and with this new Shams report this is shot at Zion, that we’re not putting up with this garbage. I think a lot depends what we do with JV as well.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:28 am to ThePistol
quote:Yea, I'm fairly certain.
Are we sure about this?
quote:If he plays 70 games and improves, then he's easily worth a max even in the new CBA. Teams can still afford 2 maxes in the new CBA, and he's good enough to be a #2.
Let's say he plays 70 games this year and puts up similar stats to the last 3 seasons. Who is going to value BI more at this time next year with a huge contract looming? The new CBA is going to force teams to think long and hard about offering huge contracts to guys who aren't #1 options
quote:Are they? They're not going to let him walk, he's getting that extension.
It is the only reason that Boston is thinking twice about extending a player that is much more accomplished (both team and individually) than Ingram.
quote:That would mean thinking a team would trade for Ingram knowing or thinking they may only have him for 2 seasons...I just don't see that happening. If he's traded, it would be to a team who wants him long term, I'd bet on that.
The extra year of cost control is very important and why I think Ingram's value is better this year than next year.
This post was edited on 6/13/23 at 10:29 am
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:29 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
I mean it might make sense for Zion to go to North Carolina and be "back home", and with Jordan until he sells the team, etc.
But I would want far more than the 2nd pick and say Gordon Hayward for Zion (and 14?).
I'd need future picks.
Give me mark williams and pj washington and call it a deal
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:30 am to Fun Bunch
Its Charlotte for sure because Portland was getting all the trade buzz. I think Hornets want a haul and want Zion included. Scoot is there for the taking if Griff caves to their demands.
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