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Posted on 7/15/19 at 5:55 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Neither are playoff basketball players. Who gives a shite about either of them.
Exactly and I’m assuming if we considered keeping wood it would only be for 1 year. Wood might have wanted some more security and stability with a new contract.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 5:58 pm to CocoLoco
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Last quarter of the season you’ll see mediocre players put up stats. That’s just how it is. Grayson Allen had a 40 point game. The level of competition drops significantly overall. You’ll have teams tanking, like the Pels, and playoff teams doing “load management”. Wood belongs on a roster somewhere, but he’s nothing special. I don’t care what per 36 stats you pull up, his level of competition wasn’t high and he had a lot of volume. This isn’t a big loss.
Arguments are easy to dismiss if you ignore anything that challenges your pre formed opinions.
But by this logic, I suspect you were in the summer league threads poo-pooing any praise for NAW and Hayes???
Or is it that when you aren’t trying to fit an argument into the conclusion you want you can recognize that showing promise as a prospect can exist on its own merits in a variety of ways?
Posted on 7/15/19 at 6:01 pm to Bronc
I also watched the games Wood played with Pels he can block shots, get rebounds, and I think he could avg 15 a game. 10 off the bench. I think it is a big loss for our bench, especially over OKAFOR frick.
I also watched Hayes play and he has a loooooong ways to go, very raw.
I also watched Hayes play and he has a loooooong ways to go, very raw.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 6:01 pm to TeddyPadillac
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News flash to this entire thread of people arguing over okafor and wood
I think both are too young to claim that(but I suspect it will be the case), but I have prefaced every post by saying this is ultimately fairly inconsequential, but it’s the offseason, this is the stuff left to discuss without summer league.
If it bothers you it might be time to tune out til training camp or pre-season starts. Just a thought
This post was edited on 7/15/19 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 7/15/19 at 6:01 pm to Bronc
Kind of a big difference between a guy who’s been bouncing around the league for 3+ years and 2 rookies who are 19 and 20 playing for the first time in a somewhat professional competition and having teammates are who pretty trash outside of Didi.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 6:10 pm to Macintosh
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Kind of a big difference between a guy who’s been bouncing around the league for 3+ years and 2 rookies who are 19 and 20 playing for the first time in a somewhat professional competition and having teammates are who pretty trash outside of Didi
I mean my argument is not that Christian Wood is a better prospect than our rookies.
That point was about the broken logic of dismissing promise whole cloth because of less than ideal competitive conditions. Which the summer league is. Even compared to a load managed NBA team(when you are also load managed and sitting your stars). So if you are going to be wholly dismissive on the premise of sub standard competition, you can’t pick and choose...Unless that is your entire game, which I suspect is with his argument.
Listen, Woods is gone, it’s not really going to break the team. I just personally would have preferred we go in another direction because he brought some things no one else did and I just like him as a fit/prospect over Okafor. Who also isn’t moving the needle. But if you got to go with one, I like Wood better.
This post was edited on 7/15/19 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 7/15/19 at 6:11 pm to Bronc
Acknowledging the potential of some 19 year olds is a lot different than looking at a journeyman 24 year old player that hasn’t played meaningful minutes of NBA basketball. Do I expect NAW or especially Hayes to contribute at a high level this season? No. But I wouldn’t expect that from Christian Wood either. He had a 10 game sample size here, which is small, and his competition was minimal.
Being upset over losing Christian Wood is fine, acting as though it’s a huge loss is completely irrational.
Being upset over losing Christian Wood is fine, acting as though it’s a huge loss is completely irrational.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 6:14 pm to klew5
You should watch more basketball.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 6:14 pm to eyeran
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Someone else would have to get waived to sign Carter.
You can have 20 players on your roster during the offseason*.
This post was edited on 7/15/19 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 7/15/19 at 6:18 pm to Macintosh
stats:
Wood - 16.9 PPG, 7.9 RPG, 0.8 APG, 1.8 TOV, 0.9 SPG, 1.3 BPG in 23.6MPG
advanced stats: -1.9 RBPM, 0.0 VORP
games vs:
houston
atlanta
sacramento
la lakers
charlotte
phoenix
sacramento
golden state
lots of tanking teams.
Wood - 16.9 PPG, 7.9 RPG, 0.8 APG, 1.8 TOV, 0.9 SPG, 1.3 BPG in 23.6MPG
advanced stats: -1.9 RBPM, 0.0 VORP
games vs:
houston
atlanta
sacramento
la lakers
charlotte
phoenix
sacramento
golden state
lots of tanking teams.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 6:23 pm to klew5
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Wood is now what we hope Jaxson Hayes becomes and anything more than that is icing
Holyyyyy shite. This is one of the most ignorant sports takes I’ve ever seen.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 6:24 pm to CocoLoco
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Acknowledging the potential of some 19 year olds is a lot different than looking at a journeyman 24 year old player that hasn’t played meaningful minutes of NBA basketball. Do I expect NAW or especially Hayes to contribute at a high level this season? No. But I wouldn’t expect that from Christian Wood either. He had a 10 game sample size here, which is small, and his competition was minimal.
Being upset over losing Christian Wood is fine, acting as though it’s a huge loss is completely irrational
I guess you have to say things at least four times for it to stick lol.
I have not once said this is a huge loss, it’s simply a choice over who would you prefer filling out the end of the bench? I think Wood is a better guy to do that than Okafor, that’s really it.
As for maxing our your potential, Wood is 23, going on 24, not 29.
Buddy Hield came into the league at Wood’s current age. Keinrich is going to be 25 this season, and I wouldn’t say he’s tapped out either.
Doing impressive things at a young age is why people are so high on NAW, Zion, and Hayes, rightfully so. But that doesn’t mean players that start finding their groove at 24 over 20 are somehow incapable of taking additional steps. And the guys you tend to give that benefit to are the ones showing steady progress in their games, which Wood has done. Again, Wood came into the league as a raw guy, he since developed what is looking to be a promising three point shot and the ability to drive to the basket off the dribble. And he’s only 23. He’s basically where we had hoped Diallo to have been skillset wise by this time, at relatively the same age. And I would imagine if soon to be 23 Diallo was knocking down 37.5 percent on catch and shoot threes, dribble driving to draw fouls or finish at the rim, reigned in the boneheaded errors, we’d be pretty happy to have him on the bench. That’s where I see Wood going into next season. A guy that can be a solid 3rd or 4th big that could maybe develop into a solid 2nd big someday. And I personally would have preferred that over Okafor.
This post was edited on 7/15/19 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 7/15/19 at 6:27 pm to Macintosh
Sign Bigby-Williams to a 2-way. That would make up for losing Wood.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 6:44 pm to htran90
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games vs:
houston
atlanta
sacramento
la lakers
charlotte
phoenix
sacramento
golden state
lots of tanking teams
Tanking teams and teams that either knew they missed the playoffs or knew what seed they were gonna get in the playoff. The Kings didn’t even try when we played them in those 2 games And the warriors started their bench warmers
Posted on 7/15/19 at 6:47 pm to unctiger4
Time will tell. To all of yous critics!!
Posted on 7/15/19 at 6:47 pm to PelicansBay
quote:said no one ever
Sign Bigby-Williams to a 2-way. That would make up for losing Wood.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 6:52 pm to klew5
Who do you think has more information regarding the team fit of Wood vs Okafor vs Williams, you, or David Griffin?
Who do you think is a better evaluator of talent, you, or David Griffin?
Trust the leadership.
Who do you think is a better evaluator of talent, you, or David Griffin?
Trust the leadership.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 6:59 pm to Macintosh
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Sign Bigby-Williams to a 2-way. That would make up for losing Wood.
said no one ever
PF - Zion / Melli / Kendrich
C - Favors / Okafor / Hayes
The only way Wood touches the court is from injury. Bigby-Williams could be the emergency 6th or 7th big. That's all Wood is.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 7:10 pm to Macintosh
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Tanking teams and teams that either knew they missed the playoffs or knew what seed they were gonna get in the playoff. The Kings didn’t even try when we played them in those 2 games And the warriors started their bench warmers
Truth is, you can pretty much make this argument for most non high draft picks without the luxury of a long leash because they are almost always going to break back into the league because of situations like the Pels or the Hinkie 76ers, or catching fire in the summer league ala Seth Curry.
Which is reminiscent of the closed-off logic I heard getting passed around when I said it was a mistake to get rid of James Ennis to sign Solomon Hill to a massive contract. Silly to refuse to commit 2 years and 2 million to Seth Curry because of a bunch of actual scrub guards clogging up the roster.
I heard: Ennis played against tanking/resting teams, in a lost season, Hill turned the corner in the playoffs, Seth Curry is just not going to get time and it's not fair. Now, Woods simply played during garbage parts of the schedule. TRUST DEMPS! He knows diamonds in the ruff!!
Those arguments are always there for this type of player/prospect, and if it was true we wouldn't have Seth Curry playing meaningful positive minutes in the playoffs, Ennis anchoring rotations on playoff teams, Ish Smith averaging 25 minutes as a solid back up.
This post was edited on 7/15/19 at 8:11 pm
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