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re: Roster construction next year - way too early look
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:18 am to WicKed WayZ
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:18 am to WicKed WayZ
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I’m thinking we still need some bench wing depth and we will need to talk about a rim protecting center that can play some D but not be a liability on offense.
Pretty much the opposite of JV
I agree this was my concern with JV. Having CJ, BI, and Zion, we just dont need much offense from center spot. We need rim protection, rebounding, and passable offense. We needed JV when zion was out and we didnt have CJ. Now we could use a rob williams type center(I know, tall order). We dont need an immediate upgrade but id start looking for JV's long term replacement in this next draft or offseason
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:21 am to teke184
Keep in mind the last guy before JV was Steven Adams before saying “the opposite of JV”.
Jesus. People can’t be critical of JV anymore on here. And I’m not even being that critical. JV is a much better player for us and overall than Adams. But that doesn’t mean he’s a championship piece for us.
Still a good player but not necessarily a guy that’s going to help us win games in the playoffs with his defense and rebounding, which is what we need as evidenced last year against the Suns
Jesus. People can’t be critical of JV anymore on here. And I’m not even being that critical. JV is a much better player for us and overall than Adams. But that doesn’t mean he’s a championship piece for us.
Still a good player but not necessarily a guy that’s going to help us win games in the playoffs with his defense and rebounding, which is what we need as evidenced last year against the Suns
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:24 am to WicKed WayZ
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Still a good player but not necessarily a guy that’s going to help us win games in the playoffs with his defense and rebounding, which is what we need as evidenced last year against the Suns
His rebounding was great in the playoffs. He averaged 14 per game. I agree though, the defense was bad, paul ate him for lunch in the PnR
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:42 am to WicKed WayZ
Didn’t say he was a championship piece. My point was that he is an improvement over what we have had since God knows how long.
The guy we traded for him didn’t even see the floor for Memphis during the first round last season.
JV isn’t the answer but he isn’t Adams, Asik, Ajinca, or other crappy big men we have had in the recent era.
The guy we traded for him didn’t even see the floor for Memphis during the first round last season.
JV isn’t the answer but he isn’t Adams, Asik, Ajinca, or other crappy big men we have had in the recent era.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:49 am to Balsamic_duck
Let's honest, there aren't a lot of pivots who can defend CP3 in the PnR well.
Probably the main quality of CP3.
Probably the main quality of CP3.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:51 am to teke184
Guys like Embiid and Jokic don’t grow on trees. Pretty much every traditional big struggled in the playoffs. Hell, even Gobert was a liability in the playoffs.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:53 am to supe12sta12z
Gobert wasn't a liability in the PO (watch at thinking Basketball, BBallBreakdown etc)
Posted on 10/10/22 at 12:00 pm to supe12sta12z
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Guys like Embiid and Jokic don’t grow on trees. Pretty much every traditional big struggled in the playoffs. Hell, even Gobert was a liability in the playoffs.
Which is why we dont need a traditional big. The 4 starting centers in the conference finals were:
BOS: Rob williams
MIA: Bam
GSW: Looney
Mav: Maxi Kleber
All under 7ft
These days you need a switchable, rim protecting 5. Thats what we need to be looking for to eventually replace JV
Posted on 10/10/22 at 12:05 pm to Balsamic_duck
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Now we could use a rob williams type center(I know, tall order). We dont need an immediate upgrade but id start looking for JV's long term replacement in this next draft or offseason
Agreed, 100%
Posted on 10/10/22 at 12:07 pm to Terrific Tales
The only player that is untouchable is CJ because of his age and contract. No team will trade for McCollum.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 12:13 pm to Balsamic_duck
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Which is why we dont need a traditional big. The 4 starting centers in the conference finals were:
BOS: Rob williams
MIA: Bam
GSW: Looney
Mav: Maxi Kleber
I agree you need that 5 on your team, but you also need someone who is capable of guarding Jokic and Embiid, b/c those guys teams are going to be final contenders as long as their teams are healthy, which they haven't been.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 1:35 pm to Balsamic_duck
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These days you need a switchable, rim protecting 5. Thats what we need to be looking for to eventually replace JV
Who are players that will be available next year or could be available via trade eventually that we could target?
I don’t think JV is going anywhere this year
Posted on 10/10/22 at 1:49 pm to WicKed WayZ
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Who are players that will be available next year or could be available via trade eventually that we could target?
Im really high on onyeka okongwu from ATL. Young rim protecting big thats very switchable. He's been stuck behind capela but looks great when he plays. Idk if he's available but id try to make a move for him if possible.
In the draft id look at a guy like derrick lively at duke. he's on the taller side at 7'1 but he's a great rim protector and athlete. I'll have to watch him at duke this year to see how he is switching.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 1:49 pm to WicKed WayZ
I think this is the type of center we need to draft in the next 1-3 years not someone we can get in free agency.
Why is everyone so low on Kira? Their ONLY reason is because we haven’t seen him in 2 years. None of y’all are talking about Zion like that. Obviously they are different players but the hypocrisy is real.
Hayes is replaceable for the contract he’d get. Graham is replaceable for the contract he has. Kira is 21 y/o with potential and won’t be getting a huge contract. He could easily play well over the value of the contract we give him and we can get a nice discount/ trade asset out if it.
Say we don’t need him all y’all want but to just write him off because he hasn’t played is fricking bullshite. He could absolutely come in and not do anything but until then some people need to chill out with the dumbass takes.
Why is everyone so low on Kira? Their ONLY reason is because we haven’t seen him in 2 years. None of y’all are talking about Zion like that. Obviously they are different players but the hypocrisy is real.
Hayes is replaceable for the contract he’d get. Graham is replaceable for the contract he has. Kira is 21 y/o with potential and won’t be getting a huge contract. He could easily play well over the value of the contract we give him and we can get a nice discount/ trade asset out if it.
Say we don’t need him all y’all want but to just write him off because he hasn’t played is fricking bullshite. He could absolutely come in and not do anything but until then some people need to chill out with the dumbass takes.
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 10/10/22 at 1:58 pm to CelticDog
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Brandon Clarke 1.21 same year as hayes, is probably available at trade deadline for not much, after Jj jr back in lineup. only 6 8. hops and d. enjoys playing D. no long game. shoots 3s in 20s. he's expiring. would be for the playoff run since hayes is out for quite a while and may not be ready.
probably get him for a "pick swap 24 or else a 24 2nd arrangement. and an immediate money balance move"
currently he's behind to sub for Jj jr after Santiago aldama. long way to trade deadline. one or two teams will give up by then. Clarke may be starting if someone else big goes down.
anyone really good is going cost. probably can have Green of gsw and unprotected 23 gsw #1 for herb or just green for tm3.
greens's expiring. d but meh offense.
I highly doubt Memphis lets him go for pennies. He's extremely valuable for that team
Posted on 10/10/22 at 2:23 pm to SouthMSReb
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I highly doubt Memphis lets him go for pennies. He's extremely valuable for that team
If not him, I would love to get jarred vanderbilt from the jazz. Everyone on that team is available right now. 6'9 high energy, only 23, good wing defense and rim protection, great rebounder. Probably costs a 1st though
Posted on 10/10/22 at 2:24 pm to Dantheman504
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Why is everyone so low on Kira? Their ONLY reason is because we haven’t seen him in 2 years. None of y’all are talking about Zion like that. Obviously they are different players but the hypocrisy is real.
Maybe because when one of them has been on the floor he's played at an All-NBA level, and when the other has been on the floor he's looked like a replacement level player?
Posted on 10/10/22 at 2:33 pm to Epic Cajun
Oh look a smart guy over analyzing the paragraph where I mentioned they were obviously different players. It’s still hypocritical.
Are you saying Kira didn’t show ANY signs of being a solid nba role player? Him being out for over a year just erases all that? There’s no possibility he has been working on his shot or other aspects of his game while he has been out? Once again y’all are discounting him solely for not being on the court. I didn’t realize missing playing time means that you’ve peaked and can’t get better at 21 years old.
And he’s still younger than every single player on our team other than Dyson.
Are you saying Kira didn’t show ANY signs of being a solid nba role player? Him being out for over a year just erases all that? There’s no possibility he has been working on his shot or other aspects of his game while he has been out? Once again y’all are discounting him solely for not being on the court. I didn’t realize missing playing time means that you’ve peaked and can’t get better at 21 years old.
And he’s still younger than every single player on our team other than Dyson.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 2:38 pm to Dantheman504
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Why is everyone so low on Kira?
probably b/c he's not that good and his potential really isn't anything better than a backup PG, and i say that nicely but truthfully.
people keep bringing up that he started off year 2 really well, yet why did he start the season playing 16mpg in the first 16 games, then play only 11mpg over the next 8 games before getting hurt? Did you all forget that in the 24 games he did play, he shot 22% from 3?
I'm definitely not going to say he can't get better and have a nice career in the NBA, b/c he can, but at his size and skills, he's really limited in who he can become. If you're going to be that small, the only way you are starting is if you are outstanding offensively, and Kira simply isn't. He hasn't shown he can shoot, or how to break defenses down with penetration using his speed. He came in as a PG yet both coaches he has had has used him more off the ball than on. That's pretty telling. We've seen Jose probe the lane and throw alley oops many times. You ever recall Kira doing that? Do you know the two players that Kira played the most minutes with his rookie year? Jaxson and Zion.
and more so than anything, we are really tight on how our salaries work going forward. If you aren't in the main group of 10 guys, then you should be a minimum contract guy b/c that's pretty much what your production to the team is worth.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 2:49 pm to TeddyPadillac
Being tight on salaries is more of the reason he can be a positive asset. He won’t get a huge contract because of the injury even if he plays well this year.
He has only played 78 games. That’s 1 rookie season. And you can’t even call it that because look at his coaches/ teammates during that time.
It’s more hypocrisy. Jaxson looked worse than Kira did at that time other than a few flashy dunks. Kira’s biggest issue was his long range shot wasn’t falling and the speed of the game was tough for him because of his speed.
That’s 2 things you don’t really knock any rookies for. We didn’t do it for Herb, we don’t do it for DD, we didn’t do it when Jose started plying but all of the sudden Kira is the exception? Why? Because he hasn’t been on the court and we haven’t seen him????
He had a nice floater, he could get around defenders and find open guys, he had moments where the game slowed down and he made his shots.
But let’s just forget all that because he hasn’t played and people just simply don’t care.
And again he’s younger than all those guys.
He has only played 78 games. That’s 1 rookie season. And you can’t even call it that because look at his coaches/ teammates during that time.
It’s more hypocrisy. Jaxson looked worse than Kira did at that time other than a few flashy dunks. Kira’s biggest issue was his long range shot wasn’t falling and the speed of the game was tough for him because of his speed.
That’s 2 things you don’t really knock any rookies for. We didn’t do it for Herb, we don’t do it for DD, we didn’t do it when Jose started plying but all of the sudden Kira is the exception? Why? Because he hasn’t been on the court and we haven’t seen him????
He had a nice floater, he could get around defenders and find open guys, he had moments where the game slowed down and he made his shots.
But let’s just forget all that because he hasn’t played and people just simply don’t care.
And again he’s younger than all those guys.
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 2:51 pm
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