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re: Reported friction between the players and SVG
Posted on 5/21/21 at 9:08 am to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 5/21/21 at 9:08 am to GOP_Tiger
Stan Van Gundy is not going to be the coach that rights the ship.
He doesn't connect with our star players and neither is able to demand maximum effort from the team collectively or consistently.
We can sit around here and watch our franchise continue to be a fricking joke for another year and then force ourselves to go a different path or we can be proactive and show our star players that we mean what we fricking say and that we are determined to get this fixed.
He doesn't connect with our star players and neither is able to demand maximum effort from the team collectively or consistently.
We can sit around here and watch our franchise continue to be a fricking joke for another year and then force ourselves to go a different path or we can be proactive and show our star players that we mean what we fricking say and that we are determined to get this fixed.
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Posted on 5/21/21 at 9:17 am to TeddyPadillac
teddy, you and I were one of the few in that official hire thread expressing displeasure with the hire. which of course was written off as being negative.
Posted on 5/21/21 at 9:18 am to Cheesy Beaver
I never liked the hire. I’ll say it again! We need someone who has never been a head coach before! This sounds like a bad strategy, but this team needs to catch lightning in a bottle !
Posted on 5/21/21 at 9:38 am to GOP_Tiger
quote:Plus Luke Walton, who coached BI/Hart/Zo.
Yeah. Alvin Gentry, who very likely still talks to some of our players, is an assistant coach there, so it's easy to guess where this story comes from.
Posted on 5/21/21 at 9:40 am to shel311
smoke is fire.
always was always will.
zion isn't happy.
what else do people need to be convinced that svg was a mistake and griff is a fraud.
always was always will.
zion isn't happy.
what else do people need to be convinced that svg was a mistake and griff is a fraud.
Posted on 5/21/21 at 9:44 am to Fun Bunch
Good SVG sucks
Posted on 5/21/21 at 9:48 am to Chad504boy
quote:
what else do people need to be convinced that svg was a mistake and griff is a fraud.
LOL.
Posted on 5/21/21 at 9:49 am to Chad504boy
More than half the 1st round picks in his class made the play in or better. I'm sure he's disappointed that he didn't even make the play in while Cam and RJ made the playoffs. It's gotta be frustrating knowing how dominant he is and it wasn't not enough.
Posted on 5/21/21 at 9:50 am to Chad504boy
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what else do people need to be convinced that svg was a mistake and griff is a fraud.
I'm going to assume Stan is costing at least $5 million per year. If you fire him now you're eating at least $15 million if not more. Zion would need to be sending some pretty strong signals for them to fire Stan. And maybe that's what these leaks are intended to do, but that's not strong enough. He'd need to go directly to Griff or Gayle. Maybe he needs to go to Langdon and Gayle and they can start a coup.
Posted on 5/21/21 at 10:27 am to TigerinATL
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If you fire him now you're eating at least $15 million if not more.
zion is probably worth single handedly more than 500 million to the franchise correct?
Posted on 5/21/21 at 10:57 am to Chad504boy
quote:From a value standpoint, sure I'd guess. But that is only realized if the team were to actually be sold.
zion is probably worth single handedly more than 500 million to the franchise correct?
I'd be interested in how much additional value/revenue would be estimated that he brings in annually. I'm sure it's a shite ton, and would only be even more shite tons if we get him to that 2nd contract.
I do agree that it's very easily worth way more than $15mil.
Posted on 5/21/21 at 11:10 am to shel311
quote:
But that is only realized if the team were to actually be sold.
maybe but i'm sure there's all kinds of financial benefits of having your franchise's value sky rocket for 10 years. Easy point is, 15 million is peanuts compared to the value of zion each and every season he's a pelican. merch, tv rights, attendence, you name it...
Posted on 5/21/21 at 12:19 pm to Cheesy Beaver
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teddy, you and I were one of the few in that official hire thread expressing displeasure with the hire. which of course was written off as being negative.
That's because he's insufferably negative. A broken clock is right twice a day.
Posted on 5/21/21 at 12:45 pm to saints5021
If I was confident the Pels could make a decent hire I would say can him
The clock is ticking on Zion already and SVG did feature him this past season
It's hard when you have a PG you don't have to worry about on the perimeter and you have no viable shooting guard to draw attention away from Zion
The clock is ticking on Zion already and SVG did feature him this past season
It's hard when you have a PG you don't have to worry about on the perimeter and you have no viable shooting guard to draw attention away from Zion
Posted on 5/21/21 at 12:51 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:
That's because he's insufferably negative. A broken clock is right twice a day.
Sorry. I'll stop being a critical thinker and just pump sunshine no matter what.
you morons gang up on anyone that doesn't pump sunshine out their arse. I'm right more often than i'm wrong, and I have zero problem admitting when i'm wrong.
This post was edited on 5/21/21 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 5/21/21 at 1:20 pm to nicholastiger
quote:
If I was confident the Pels could make a decent hire I would say can him
The clock is ticking on Zion already and SVG did feature him this past season
It's hard when you have a PG you don't have to worry about on the perimeter and you have no viable shooting guard to draw attention away from Zion
Honestly I want someone to walk me through what a coach would have been able to magically do differently this season? I think there are some things on the margins like not starting the season mirroring the Bucks and adjusting sooner. But even after we did it was clear the team couldn't find consistency still.
I dont even particularly love Stan, but if I step back and look at the season, it was always going to be a challenge. New systems, shortened training camp, top 3 hardest schedule, practices are few and far between, poor roster construction, then a rash of injuries late in the season.
People point to Atlanta but that was/is a solid and cohesive roster that was underutilized. What magical alchemy of lineups was going to unclog the paint for BI? Find us a reliable shooter? Magically get Lonzo to be more than one dimensional in the half court? Unwash Adams?
This post was edited on 5/21/21 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 5/21/21 at 1:28 pm to Bronc
Part of the problem as well is I don't think Ingram and Zion played all that well together
Posted on 5/21/21 at 1:41 pm to nicholastiger
I agree, but I have a different theory than many of the firesale BI people, in that we all thought it was Zion that really needed spacing, but the one that really suffered was BI.
Last year BI got nearly 50% of his shots at the rim, this year it was only 27%.
Despite a shorter season his long two's almost doubled.
It's actually impressive he basically maintained his overall shooting efficiency doing that, but I think our lack of spacing and a consistent third playmaker is the dam between BI and Zion finding their ideal fit together. It's also why I am not exactly opposed to someone like Beal, Lavine, or even more ideally, Brogdon. Why Haliburton would have been a perfect fit.
Last year BI got nearly 50% of his shots at the rim, this year it was only 27%.
Despite a shorter season his long two's almost doubled.
It's actually impressive he basically maintained his overall shooting efficiency doing that, but I think our lack of spacing and a consistent third playmaker is the dam between BI and Zion finding their ideal fit together. It's also why I am not exactly opposed to someone like Beal, Lavine, or even more ideally, Brogdon. Why Haliburton would have been a perfect fit.
This post was edited on 5/21/21 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 5/21/21 at 1:51 pm to shel311
quote:
From a value standpoint, sure I'd guess. But that is only realized if the team were to actually be sold.
The TV contract is up in 2022 or 2023. Whether Zion looks like he is happy to be here the next 3-5 years or has one foot out the door will make a huge difference in what kind of TV deal the Pels get. So I don't think the level of disaster if Zion does get so unhappy he leaves before his 2nd contract can be understated.
I don't think any of us would blame Zion for leaving if the next 2 seasons are below .500. Griff absolutely has to right the ship and address the problems.
That being said, after listening to the latest local podcasts I feel a lot better about things. Jake and Shamit both basically said "this isn't nothing but it's also more about the losing and the coach/player friction is making a mountain out of a mole hill."
Posted on 5/21/21 at 2:00 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
after listening to the latest local podcasts I feel a lot better about things. Jake and Shamit both basically said "this isn't nothing but it's also more about the losing and the coach/player friction is making a mountain out of a mole hill."
sincere question, it makes you feel better knowing that chances are better than stan van gundy is coming back to coach this team more?
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