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re: Reeves> Hawk
Posted on 1/9/25 at 11:32 am to Dantheman504
Posted on 1/9/25 at 11:32 am to Dantheman504
He just needs to add 10-15lbs of weight. He's always going to be picked on defensively as long as he doesn't add on size. He's 200-205 but it's a very slight 200-205.
As far as his offense goes, we need a coach to guide him away from the midrange. Way to many shots from that area of the court.
Either way, we need to figure out if he is a product of bad coaching or if he's just always going to be a steaky volume shooter.
As far as his offense goes, we need a coach to guide him away from the midrange. Way to many shots from that area of the court.
Either way, we need to figure out if he is a product of bad coaching or if he's just always going to be a steaky volume shooter.
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 11:37 am to NOFOX
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Dyson is the same player as he was last season, just playing more minutes and taking more than 2x the shot attempts because he went to a weaker roster and is playing with Trae
Dyson has done things this year that haven’t been done since Michael Jordan.
This post was edited on 1/9/25 at 11:39 am
Posted on 1/9/25 at 11:51 am to Balsamic_duck
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It’s not that hard to be better than Hawk. He’s one of the worst players I’ve ever seen.
Come on man
Posted on 1/9/25 at 11:55 am to Townedrunkard
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Dyson has done things this year that haven’t been done since Michael Jordan.
He is and always was a great defender and bad offensive player. His steals are way up and his blocks are up while his defensive rebounds are down. That is part progression and part scheme, but his advanced defensive metrics are about the same as last year.
He is shooting .451/.315/.587. That's just as awful as when he was with the Pels, he's just taking more shots and playing more minutes.
Dyson is an impactful player because he is an incredile on ball defender, but he has not become a new player in Atlanta.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 11:58 am to supe12sta12z
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He just needs to add 10-15lbs of weight. He's always going to be picked on defensively as long as he doesn't add on size
He's always going to be picked on whether he gains 10-15lbs or 50lbs.
The bigger point is that any backcourt with tiny Jose/ Hawk is a failing one. Regardless of personal feelings for either we definitely aren't winning shite with those 2 playing together.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 12:02 pm to NOFOX
Yea. He's roughly the same player with better coaching, scheme, and being allowed to develop on offense without the worry about how many minutes he will get to play on a given night and what his role will be based on the match up. Everything is consistent in Atlanta and it shows in his confidence now.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 12:07 pm to Dantheman504
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The issue here is that Hawk could score 20-25pts a night and still end up with a negative +/- because he is so bad at everything else.
How is that different than CJ in games that matter?
Posted on 1/9/25 at 12:23 pm to TeddyPadillac
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How is that different than CJ in games that matter?
Simple answer? Its not lolol. I'd give my opinion on that but his bf would appear immediately...
I am very much pro get rid of Hawk and CJ asap.
But to actually answer the question CJ has averaged 8-10 combined assists, rebounds, and steals a game since he's been here. He also is a shot creator so he will force double teams or make teams scheme against him. That by itself has a larger individual impact than his actual production vs Hawk.
Thank God Hawk never has and never will have to be the primary ball handler or he might actually get laughed off an nba court.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 12:29 pm to Dantheman504
Dyson may have had confidence issues but he is not dumb enough or full of himself enough to shoot 20 straight possessions after missing the first 19 like Hawk would.
I don't care if it was summer league, that game told me everything I need to know about Hawkins as a team player and decision maker.
It was one of the biggest bitchmade performances I've seen from a b ball player in my life.
And his current play certainly hasn't helped his case or changed my opinion.
I don't care if it was summer league, that game told me everything I need to know about Hawkins as a team player and decision maker.
It was one of the biggest bitchmade performances I've seen from a b ball player in my life.
And his current play certainly hasn't helped his case or changed my opinion.
This post was edited on 1/9/25 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 1/9/25 at 12:35 pm to Dantheman504
CJ has had similar "bad games" but that's not him being emotional or bitchmade its CJ's will to actually try to put the team on his back.
Did he do it to a fault sometimes or make terrible decisions? Yes but he did it with the best intentions of the team and it paid off as much as its hurt us.
I can fault CJ for his play certain games but I won't fault him for the position he has been put in the last 2 years.
I can't fault Hawk for anything can he's not fricking worth enough to have any impact.
Did he do it to a fault sometimes or make terrible decisions? Yes but he did it with the best intentions of the team and it paid off as much as its hurt us.
I can fault CJ for his play certain games but I won't fault him for the position he has been put in the last 2 years.
I can't fault Hawk for anything can he's not fricking worth enough to have any impact.
This post was edited on 1/9/25 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 1/9/25 at 4:24 pm to Dantheman504
Posted on 1/9/25 at 4:33 pm to Townedrunkard
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Dyson has done things this year that haven’t been done since Michael Jordan.
Ok the Dyson hype is now just full blown delusional. He's essentially the same player he was last year he's just getting more minutes/more volume. Per 36 his rebounds and assists are actually down and his shooting percentages are pretty much the same as last year.
His defense is incredible, which we already knew. Please do not compare Dyson Daniels to Michael Jordan ever again
Posted on 1/9/25 at 5:06 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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His defense is incredible, which we already knew. Please do not compare Dyson Daniels to Michael Jordan ever again
I never said he was Michael Jordan, that would be idiotic. But he has put up stat lines that haven’t been accomplished since MJ and only a few others have in history.
Say what you want, but I’m just stating facts here.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 5:51 pm to Townedrunkard
I'm a big Dyson fan too, but you're overselling him. Not to mention he has a role in Atlanta that he would not have here.
But this thread is about Hawk vs. Reeves. Hawk is not showing flashes of being an All Star caliber player which means he will not be here beyond his 2nd contract and the sooner you trade him the better. I'm not saying Reeves > Hawk, but if were talking about a bench gunner, sure, why not. I guess that doesn't really matter until next season.
But this thread is about Hawk vs. Reeves. Hawk is not showing flashes of being an All Star caliber player which means he will not be here beyond his 2nd contract and the sooner you trade him the better. I'm not saying Reeves > Hawk, but if were talking about a bench gunner, sure, why not. I guess that doesn't really matter until next season.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 9:27 am to TigerinATL
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But this thread is about Hawk vs. Reeves. Hawk is not showing flashes of being an All Star caliber player which means he will not be here beyond his 2nd contract and the sooner you trade him the better. I'm not saying Reeves > Hawk, but if were talking about a bench gunner, sure, why not. I guess that doesn't really matter until next season
The only way I can explain it is that we have been bad for so long that fans want to hold on to "good games" and not "good players".
We love Herb and gave him a chance because we already knew his overall floor considering the level of his defense CONSISTENTLY.
Hawk has not been that. He's essentially NAW 2.0 at this point (and I was one of NAW biggest fans). He may still end up being a solid bench player but his ceiling is slowly shrinking IMO.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 11:44 am to Dantheman504
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I get it and I could explain the psychology but more people would get upset.
Man I don’t even disagree with what you’re saying, but I actively want to disagree, because you talk in such a cunty way
Makes total sense that your name is “dan the man” lol
Posted on 1/10/25 at 12:27 pm to supe12sta12z
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being allowed to develop on offense
He’s not developing on offense. He’s playing with Trae and he’s competing with less overall talent, so his USG% and 2PA are up, but his TS%, EFG%, ast%, ORB%, and FTr are all down from last year. He’s objectively worse on offense than last year, he’s just playing more minutes and shooting more.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 1:45 pm to LilWezyAna
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Man I don’t even disagree with what you’re saying, but I actively want to disagree
People blindly disagreeing with me is exactly why I talk like that.
Also that was a joke. I'm not a psychologist and wasn't actually going to do that breakdown.
In my defense you are proving my point by getting upset with the statement "If I say ___ people will get upset".
Turns out all I had to say was "people will get upset" for people to get upset.
I'm glad there wasn't an emotional response to that comment:
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Makes total sense that your name is “dan the man”
Ahh
Welcome to Pels talk.
This post was edited on 1/10/25 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 1/10/25 at 5:22 pm to Islandboy777
Hawk is not a rotation player, he may not be an NBA player at the rate he's tracking.
He's just not good.
He's just not good.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 5:27 pm to NOFOX
That's part of the development. It doesn't happen overnight to produce results. It's going to take time. Look at Synder's track record, he's been a wizard when it comes to developing players.
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