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Post-Gentry, do we still want to run?

Posted on 8/8/20 at 8:44 pm
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
17791 posts
Posted on 8/8/20 at 8:44 pm
When you look at our starters plus regular rotation players, would you want another coach who runs all the time, or would we do better playing in more half-court sets with a defensive outlook? Some of these opinions are highly subjective, but I decided to throw them out there:

Lonzo - excellent passer in transition, limited in the half-court, because he can't be effective in the pick-and-roll, and then is only a spot-up 3 guy.

Jrue - a subert iso player who is a better half-court player than transition player, also a better defender in the half-court than in transition.

BI - similar to Jrue in that he is a superb iso player and has tremendous potential running P&R.

Jaxson - better in transition than in the half-court, on both offense and defense

Hart - tremendous transition attack, in the half-court, he turns into a spot-up 3 guy.

Melli - better in the half-court, lacks speed to be effective in transition

Moore - definitely half-court

NAW - eh, I'm not sure, but I like his ability to run the P&R in the half-court.

Frank - very explosive in transition

Favors - not a transition player at all, better in the half-court where he is better defensively and also as a distributor at the top of the key

Zion - I think Zion is amazing in transition and equally amazing in iso situations in the half-court.

Redick - highly effective in both transition and in the half-court

We almost certainly won't have all 12 of those guys next season, but without making trades or signing free agents or letting guys go, how do you think that our roster would fare in a slower-paced offensive system?
Posted by LouisianaJoseph
Denver
Member since Apr 2018
1390 posts
Posted on 8/8/20 at 9:05 pm to
Whatever Kenny wants to run.
Posted by Crazed2APoint
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2019
88 posts
Posted on 8/8/20 at 9:56 pm to
Only thing I'll add to this is that, while I like the system Gentry runs, I've always wanted us to slow it down for the type of players we have. Our team has turnover prone, low iq (basketball wise) players. So it's always seemed counterproductive to put them into a system where a lot of basketball iq and quick decisions are needed.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110701 posts
Posted on 8/8/20 at 9:57 pm to
I've always thought the team, as a whole, is better equipped with a slower offense, it never really fit the style IMO to go so fast.
Posted by 504Voodoo
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2012
13530 posts
Posted on 8/8/20 at 10:16 pm to
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Whatever Kenny wants to run


Exactly
Posted by ThanosIsADemocrat
The Garden
Member since May 2018
9395 posts
Posted on 8/8/20 at 11:32 pm to
This core Lonzo Zion Ingram Hart & Jrue is built to run.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
22777 posts
Posted on 8/8/20 at 11:45 pm to
quote:

I've always thought the team, as a whole, is better equipped with a slower offense, it never really fit the style IMO to go so fast


It looks like they have no idea what to do when they slow down and actually have to play in the half court.

I don’t understand why they have to look so lost when they can’t just run transition basketball constantly. Does Gentry not have a plan for that?
This post was edited on 8/8/20 at 11:47 pm
Posted by LouisianaJoseph
Denver
Member since Apr 2018
1390 posts
Posted on 8/9/20 at 3:07 am to
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Does Gentry not have a plan for that?

Does the SWB ever have a plan for anything?
This post was edited on 8/9/20 at 3:08 am
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
17791 posts
Posted on 8/9/20 at 6:37 am to
quote:

This core Lonzo Zion Ingram Hart & Jrue is built to run.



See, I don't think that BI is as good in transition as he is in the half-court, and I feel sure that Jrue is not.
And Zion has been far more effective in half-court offensive sets than I ever imagined that he would be.

But our team transition defense is so bad that I just feel that we have to slow it down. Which is weird, because a year ago, I thought that Griffin had built a team that was born to run and would likely run even after Gentry was gone. Here's what David Griffin said a year ago.

quote:

“If we don’t lead the league in pace next year, I’ll be disappointed,” Gentry says. Griffin does one better: “We’ll probably play the fastest style of ball that’s been played, maybe ever,” he says. Zippy teams spell doom when their roster can’t guard at the speed an offense requires. New Orleans boasts switchable, long perimeter hounds across its lineups. “We’re going to be able to defend at an alarming pace,” Griffin says.


But that's just not true. Zion absolutely, positively cannot "defend at an alarming pace." He's slow and objectively bad at transition defense.

Y'all remember when there was talk about Zion playing SF? I remember preseason Zion saying that Gentry was talking about playing him there. It seems absurd in retrospect, to think that he had the lateral quickness to stay in front of opposing SFs.
This post was edited on 8/9/20 at 6:38 am
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
57618 posts
Posted on 8/9/20 at 7:07 am to
Running is good, but if the players put zero effort on defense, you’re not gonna go very far.

At this point, we have young players running and gunning and more focused on getting the ball back to score again than trying to stop someone
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
14862 posts
Posted on 8/9/20 at 8:18 am to
I honestly don’t think we “run” all that much. There’s a huge difference between when Ja Morant pushes the pace and when Lonzo, Jrue, or anyone else does on this roster.

I think most of our pace comes from early offense, and by that I mean pull up 3’s with 20 seconds on the shot clock, or pull up midrange contested jumpers with 18 seconds left.

That is what I would like to see reigned in a bit, some of those are ok looks but some of them are just bad shots as well.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
17791 posts
Posted on 8/9/20 at 8:39 am to
Only Josh Hart pushes the pace the way that Ja does. I agree that Lonzo doesn't, because he only wants to pass.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
22777 posts
Posted on 8/9/20 at 9:48 am to
quote:

But that's just not true. Zion absolutely, positively cannot "defend at an alarming pace." He's slow and objectively bad at transition defense.

Y'all remember when there was talk about Zion playing SF? I remember preseason Zion saying that Gentry was talking about playing him there. It seems absurd in retrospect, to think that he had the lateral quickness to stay in front of opposing SFs.


I don’t understand how it is fair to grade Zion’s defense or potential as a defender as they have not given him much consistent playing time.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34252 posts
Posted on 8/9/20 at 11:09 am to
I still want to run, but not at the expense of not finishing defensive possessions. Also, you can run AND have decent half-court sets for when the defense is set up. Gentry's biggest issue is that everything seems based on pace, which often causes breakdowns on both ends of the court.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34252 posts
Posted on 8/9/20 at 11:12 am to
quote:

Only Josh Hart pushes the pace the way that Ja does. I agree that Lonzo doesn't, because he only wants to pass.


Lonzo's long outlet passes are probably the fastest pace in the league. He is even better than Kevin Love at hitting leakers. Unfortunately, constantly leaking gives the opponent far too many offensive rebounds
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
11861 posts
Posted on 8/9/20 at 11:18 am to
I think we need to still push the pace with our players but not to the extent Gentry wants. He pushes the pace irresponsibly. There is almost no focus on the rest of the game. It is simply one speed - chaotic running. It leads to turnovers and poor defense and rebounding.
Posted by LSU_504
New Orleans, LA
Member since Jan 2020
97 posts
Posted on 8/9/20 at 12:08 pm to
I just want our style to be whatever works best for Zion and BI collectively.
Posted by ThanosIsADemocrat
The Garden
Member since May 2018
9395 posts
Posted on 8/9/20 at 1:09 pm to
quote:

See, I don't think that BI is as good in transition as he is in the half-court, and I feel sure that Jrue is not.
And Zion has been far more effective in half-court offensive sets than I ever imagined that he would be.


Zo Zion and Hart are definitely better in transition.

Ingram is an elite scorer in the league, so he can fit in any offense and Jrue is perfectly capable of running.

Not saying Jrue and Brandon aren’t both good in the halfcourt.
Posted by NolaTiger52
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2018
1855 posts
Posted on 8/9/20 at 1:34 pm to
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This post was edited on 8/9/20 at 1:35 pm
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