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re: Per Jake Fisher our offer to Ingram was 4/140
Posted on 2/8/25 at 9:10 pm to LSUPilot07
Posted on 2/8/25 at 9:10 pm to LSUPilot07
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I just don’t know why he has it in his head he’s a max guy
He easily was...18 months ago
The impacts of the 2nd apron have guys like him and Randle in no man's land until the market figures it out in a few years. The league is overreacting one way and nobody knows what the market value is for a 30-60 guy right now.
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Posted on 2/8/25 at 10:16 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
The fact we even offered him that is alarming.
Posted on 2/9/25 at 9:27 am to SlowFlowPro
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He easily was...18 months ago
Man i am not so sure, yes he can get his shot off, but Lou Dort owns him, he got benched by Steve Kerr in the olympics, he is good, but not a max player,
plus being an Iso player, he stops ball movement frequently....will miss him but would not pay him more that the 35M/yr he was offered
Posted on 2/9/25 at 10:42 am to Whodat1
That’s a good offer. It’s nice to hear Griff wasn’t going to overpay him
Posted on 2/9/25 at 10:54 am to supe12sta12z
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Because he was offered the max when he was first eligible and turned it down hoping to be eligible for the super max
He needs to fire his agent if he ever led him to believe he could get a super max lol.
Griff once again lucked out if his agent declined a max deal extension. His regime would look ten times worse if it wasn’t for him being lucky agents turning down his stupidity like this and Kyle Lowery and Hardaway Jr.
This post was edited on 2/9/25 at 10:56 am
Posted on 2/9/25 at 11:03 am to Townedrunkard
He did end up firing his agent and going with Klutch a couple weeks into the season. His agent botched his several potential deals and ignored a lot of signs while losing him a lot of money in the process.
Posted on 2/10/25 at 12:56 pm to Soggymoss
If that was the offer, it was basically a no-offer. The 2K crowd, all of a sudden, wants to help out Ms. B. financial position, and here we are 
Posted on 2/10/25 at 2:52 pm to Pistol44
quote:Please explain.
If that was the offer, it was basically a no-offer. The 2K crowd, all of a sudden, wants to help out Ms. B. financial position, and here we are
Posted on 2/10/25 at 4:02 pm to NOSHAU
The internets crowd can slice numbers but poor at team building. Case in point the BI saga. 4-140 is $35 a year, a pay-cut after you asked him to be available for OKC series less than 100%. When he commits to playing injured (team) and underperforms the team and internets devalues, because we all want to save Ms. B $$.
For the record, I would not pay BI a max due to health issues but a pay cut is clearly trying to take advantage from a management standpoint. The narrative then becomes no one wants him while he clearly took the position of being a free agent and quietly steered himself to a team that he chose (this was always going to be the case as an expiring contract with control by his willingness to resign). He'll likely sign for something closer to 3-140 and the 2K will scream overpay! Now 2K says we'lll go with Griff over Masai's basketball acumen.... Toronto is in a similar market situation (in addition to being n Canada) as the Pels and historically produces better teams.
How it relates to bad management and 2K evaluation? 2K obsession with numbers and highlights give management cover to be cheap. Same BS with letting Jrue walk (it was always $$, not fit as the 2K crowd implied). The funny thing is we've saved Ms. B so much money, and really she'll be hard pressed to give it away because agents will steer their clients away due to the franchise's two black eyes. Cheap and Player Health.
For the record, I would not pay BI a max due to health issues but a pay cut is clearly trying to take advantage from a management standpoint. The narrative then becomes no one wants him while he clearly took the position of being a free agent and quietly steered himself to a team that he chose (this was always going to be the case as an expiring contract with control by his willingness to resign). He'll likely sign for something closer to 3-140 and the 2K will scream overpay! Now 2K says we'lll go with Griff over Masai's basketball acumen....
Toronto is in a similar market situation (in addition to being n Canada) as the Pels and historically produces better teams. How it relates to bad management and 2K evaluation? 2K obsession with numbers and highlights give management cover to be cheap. Same BS with letting Jrue walk (it was always $$, not fit as the 2K crowd implied). The funny thing is we've saved Ms. B so much money, and really she'll be hard pressed to give it away because agents will steer their clients away due to the franchise's two black eyes. Cheap and Player Health.
This post was edited on 2/10/25 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 2/10/25 at 4:17 pm to Pistol44
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"When you think about the last couple of off-seasons, Brandon Ingram turned down an extension of $50 million per year in 2023, and an extension of about $40 million from what I'm told this past offseason," Charania said. "I expected him to have a robust market between now and the deadline."
You don't think he's worth the max, then what do you think he's worth? because the Pelicans have been fair with their offer on multiple occasions. It's not difficult to see that the contract issue was on BI's side.
Posted on 2/10/25 at 4:37 pm to Pistol44
This is what Brandon Ingram watched happen this offseason
OG signed a 5/$212M contract, $42M annual average, 277 games played on 15/5/2 and 38% 3 point shooting.
Evan Mobley signed a 5/$224M rookie extension contract, $45M annual average based on 16/9/3 on 26% 3 point shooting
Siakam signed a 4/$189M contract, $47M annual average, 335 games played in last 5 years on 23/7/5 and 34% 3 point shooting
Bam signed a 3/$165M contract, $55M annual average, 338 games played last 5 years on 18/10/4
Franz signed a 5/$224M rookie extension contract, 45M annual average based on 18/5/3 in his first 3 years on 33% 3 point shooting
Embiid signed a 3/$193M contract, $65M annual average, 275 games played
Jamal Murray signed a 4/$208M contract, $52M annual average, 231 games played last 5 seasons at 20/4/6
Markannen signed a 4/$196M contract, 49M annual average, 283 game played last 5 seasons at 19/7/1.5
You wonder why BI turned down a 4/$140M contract, $35M annual average, when he has played 287 games (more than OG and Murray and similar to Markannen) and put up 23/6/5 on 37% 3 point shooting?
Of course he should turn that down. WHy would he sign that when he's watching guys who are more injured than him get more money and guys that he puts up better numbers than get more money than him?
Look at it from his perspective for a change and not from the perspective of a retarded fan who just wants to blame BI for the Pelicans woes instead of fatass and our bald headed GM. BI should feel disrespected for that offer. No he doesnt deserve the max, but you can't blame him for wanting it when he sees some of these guys get it.
4/$190 should have been the offer if they wanted to keep him. It's obvious they did not want to keep him with that shite offer they gave him based on the money that was given out this offseason.
OG signed a 5/$212M contract, $42M annual average, 277 games played on 15/5/2 and 38% 3 point shooting.
Evan Mobley signed a 5/$224M rookie extension contract, $45M annual average based on 16/9/3 on 26% 3 point shooting
Siakam signed a 4/$189M contract, $47M annual average, 335 games played in last 5 years on 23/7/5 and 34% 3 point shooting
Bam signed a 3/$165M contract, $55M annual average, 338 games played last 5 years on 18/10/4
Franz signed a 5/$224M rookie extension contract, 45M annual average based on 18/5/3 in his first 3 years on 33% 3 point shooting
Embiid signed a 3/$193M contract, $65M annual average, 275 games played
Jamal Murray signed a 4/$208M contract, $52M annual average, 231 games played last 5 seasons at 20/4/6
Markannen signed a 4/$196M contract, 49M annual average, 283 game played last 5 seasons at 19/7/1.5
You wonder why BI turned down a 4/$140M contract, $35M annual average, when he has played 287 games (more than OG and Murray and similar to Markannen) and put up 23/6/5 on 37% 3 point shooting?
Of course he should turn that down. WHy would he sign that when he's watching guys who are more injured than him get more money and guys that he puts up better numbers than get more money than him?
Look at it from his perspective for a change and not from the perspective of a retarded fan who just wants to blame BI for the Pelicans woes instead of fatass and our bald headed GM. BI should feel disrespected for that offer. No he doesnt deserve the max, but you can't blame him for wanting it when he sees some of these guys get it.
4/$190 should have been the offer if they wanted to keep him. It's obvious they did not want to keep him with that shite offer they gave him based on the money that was given out this offseason.
Posted on 2/10/25 at 4:48 pm to ThePistol
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BI’s issue is he wanted to be paid 14 million more than Zion is being paid.
So what. It's not his fault he's older than Zion and that's the way it works in the NBA.
Jaylen Brown is making $15M more than Tatum this year. BFD
Siakam and Haliburton are making the same exact amount the next 4 years, and they offered that contract to Siakam that way on purpose.
We could have easily done that with BI and Zion. 3/$127M for $42M annual average and they'd both make the same amount for the next 3 years.
Posted on 2/10/25 at 8:32 pm to TeddyPadillac
Unfortunately, even hitting them with facts doesn’t sink in, the internets already told them whats true. Jrue, Josh, and now BI gotta go when its time to get paid, for shooting, spacing, and fit reasons respectively.
Posted on 2/10/25 at 8:35 pm to TeddyPadillac
Under the previous CBA I think we would have paid him the 40-45 million he wanted on a 2-3 year deal, under this new CBA we just cannot do that though.
Posted on 2/10/25 at 8:55 pm to Soggymoss
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Under the previous CBA I think we would have paid him the 40-45 million he wanted on a 2-3 year deal, under this new CBA we just cannot do that though.
That doesn’t make any sense considering all of those guys I listed just signed those contracts. Didn’t seem to affect them and their teams offers.
Posted on 2/10/25 at 9:18 pm to TeddyPadillac
Pels management doesn't want to paid the luxury tax. Pels made BI, the boogie man , to cover management's failures. Next season there will be another boogie man
Posted on 2/11/25 at 5:47 am to TeddyPadillac
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That doesn’t make any sense considering all of those guys I listed just signed those contracts. Didn’t seem to affect them and their teams offers.
Correct, but none of those contracts have kicked in yet. You will see a couple of those teams trying to dump guys to start playing cap gymnastics to avoid the apron, something Griffin already said he didn’t want to do because the aprons are too restrictive.
Knicks are already having to do it this season, and that’s with two of their best players making far below the max.
Next season when Mobley’s extension kicks in Cleveland is 3 million over the second apron. They won’t stay there, they will give away or pay to dump someone to get below it.
Indiana has 2 high paid guys and everyone else making less than 20 million. They could afford that extension.
Bam is now the only player on Miami on a max deal, and lets face it, he’s a FAR superior player to BI.
Orlando is in even better shape cap wise than Indiana as Franz is their only max player, also guys with high potential on rookie extensions usually always get the max no matter what, just look around the league at Barnes, Wiggins when he got his, MPJ, etc. Teams giving those 25% max deals out won’t change.
Denver is paying out all that money and staying a top heavy team. That is showing on the floor and they are falling off.
Utah paid Lauri because they have to give money to someone. They don’t have anyone on their roster worth a max, not even Lauri. If BI wanted that amount of money he shouldn’t have nixed a trade to Utah in the offseason that we had lined up.
This post was edited on 2/11/25 at 6:12 am
Posted on 2/11/25 at 7:06 am to Soggymoss
There was no complicated cap gymnastics to do. You simply trade CJ.
They didn’t want BI. It’s as simple as that.
They didn’t want BI. It’s as simple as that.
Posted on 2/11/25 at 7:13 am to TeddyPadillac
I'm not saying CJ should not be moved, however, if the choice is between keeping BI or CJ, with this roster it's CJ
Posted on 2/11/25 at 7:32 am to GMeaux
Sure. B/c he shoots threes and BI takes fadeaways from the corner. It’s as simple as that.
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