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re: Pels v Blazers: that Zion guy is pretty good

Posted on 2/17/21 at 1:26 pm to
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 2/17/21 at 1:26 pm to
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No excuse for Pels tonight


2nd of a back to back

Pretty sure I have read that teams are worse than usual on a SEGABABA this year.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 2/17/21 at 1:35 pm to
They are as well thankfully.

I’d say we should have the slightest of edge here, but I’m not gonna melt if we lose, since Dame is like a crunch time savant this season, and I expect it to be an ugly game regardless who wins.

My biggest fear is us doing what we seem to always do in these situations and that is running the tank to empty in the first quarter and having nothing left the rest of the game.
This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 1:35 pm
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 2/17/21 at 1:39 pm to
This is the first game we have played versus Dame in a loooooooooonng time without Jrue...
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61441 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 1:42 pm to
Yeah, Dame is probably going to be looking to exorcise some demons.
Posted by Pelefraan 1
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 2/17/21 at 1:54 pm to
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But twice now, Pels and Bucks, he’s come up on his contract year playing for teams that can’t afford to let him go because their backs are against the cap wall so they are going to have to pay him above market rate to keep him.


Ladies and Gents, I present to you the Bird Rights Trap:

quote:

“ It only takes one.

That’s what always worries NBA executives. Just one rival team that gets a wild hair and falls in love with one of your players can blow up your roster or your salary cap structure in minutes, and you can’t do a thing about it.

Boston lived that fear this week. It’s what I call the Bird rights trap, and it’s what the Celtics fell into when Gordon Hayward left for Charlotte as a result of an absurd four-year, $120 million deal from the Hornets. It’s also why players like Marcus Morris and Joe Harris signed deals that seemed extravagant relative to their talents, and why Denver tried to match an equally outlandish offer from Detroit to Jerami Grant.

Let me explain.

For a team near or below the salary cap, a situation like Hayward’s doesn’t present nearly as much of a problem. Let’s say, for instance, your team was going to be right at the salary cap this season, and you learned a player like Hayward planned to opt out of his $34.5 million deal for the coming season to sign someplace else.

No big deal — you just got $34.5 million in cap room! Signing a replacement should be relatively easy. While this example doesn’t work as well if the player is named LeBron James, as long as it’s not one of your two best players, you’ll be able to sign a replacement and get along just fine.

Teams with low salary-cap structures, in other words, are almost completely insulated from the foolishness of their rivals. If somebody wants to sign one of their players to a bad contract, they can easily pivot to a different option.

For teams above the cap, however, a situation like Hayward’s presents a different conundrum. For any player worth the midlevel exception or more, the team is in a really tight spot. First, if the player leaves, it can’t come up with a replacement of equal value. Second, even if it can come up with something of nearly equivalent value with the midlevel exception (MLE), you only get one of them … and you just forfeited your opportunity to use it on a player at another position. Use that MLE to plug the first hole and leaks pop up elsewhere.

Agents know that all too well and bluff to their advantage. Oh, you won’t go to $15 million a year for my guy? There’s this desperate team with cap room out there who will. Do you dare call their bluff? Do you feel lucky? (A few agents who truly know the cap are especially gifted at this. Though I must say, negotiating with an agent who bluffs and doesn’t know the cap, while rare, is freaking hilarious.)

It creates tremendous pressure for over-the-cap teams to overpay their non-All-Star starters in years, annual money or both. It’s no accident that the biggest overpays this week were on big-money, long-term deals for accessory players on capped-out teams: four years and $64 million for Morris; four years and $75 million for Harris; three years and $40 million for Kentavious Caldwell-Pope; five years and $80 million for Davis Bertans; four years and $52 million for Jordan Clarkson; and four years and $60 million for Malik Beasley.

For each of the teams involved, there just wasn’t a good Plan B if those guys walked. So their teams were spooked into paying top dollar to retain them.

Boston, post-Hayward, represents the other side of the Bird rights trap. Its roster is a bit like a deflated balloon right now. The Celtics used their MLE on a big man, just like they would have anyway, and another small exception on a guard, and as a result are more or less the exact same team they would have been … except without Hayward. They can’t replace him as an over-the-cap team.

It’s possible for Boston to pull off a late, dramatic save by generating a massive $30 million (or so) trade exception in a sign-and-trade with Charlotte, but even that will prove costly. The Celtics need to pony up an asset to include in the trade with Charlotte and then, almost certainly, another asset to bring a player into the exception. At a minimum, replacing Hayward in their salary structure will cost them two draft picks.

As for Charlotte, yes, it was just as goofy a decision as everyone thinks it was. Shelling out for a 30-year-old non-All-Star when it is years away from contending for anything important is … a decision. And leave me with the “we have to sell tickets” talk — it’s the wrong year for that.

Charlotte will also need to stretch the contract of Nicolas Batum, unless it can find another deal or the teams arrange a sign-and-trade. One of the oddities of free agency is that until the ink dries, the sides can tweak a deal to make it turn out much better than the original plan. In Boston’s case, it’s by harvesting a huge trade exception or a player from Hayward’s departure. In Charlotte’s, it’s avoiding a de facto $9 million a year surcharge on Hayward’s contract by not having to use the stretch provision on Batum’s.

We’ll see how it turns out. Nonetheless, in a year with few or no paying fans to please, it’s odd the Hornets didn’t choose to use their cap space as a means to hoard assets for the future. Charlotte was in a much better position to play the cap-room game a year from now, with more money and more potential free agents of a suitable age than this season, and a roster that would be further along in its rebuild from ground zero following Kemba Walker’s departure.

Instead, the Hornets turned their cap space into what is immediately one of the league’s least-desirable contracts.

Like I said, it’s the thing every front office fears, and it just came and bit Boston yesterday. Boston had its nice little plans, and then Charlotte bulldozed them when it fell head over heels for Hayward. That forced the Celtics to either pay through the nose to keep him or lose him and struggle to come up with a remotely comparable replacement.

That’s why the Bird rights trap is one of the thorniest issues front offices face and keeps execs up at night at this time of year. For 29 teams, a deal like that for Hayward was absurd. But it only takes one.”

This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 1:56 pm
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 1:59 pm to
Hope not, but it’s definitely his fourth quarter and god like clutch stats this season that are going to keep me nervous even if we go into the 4th with a twenty point lead.

Guy is 82% True Shooting with 60% from the field and 57% from three in clutch minutes.

48% from the field and 45% from three in fourth quarters generally.

Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
14160 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 2:23 pm to
Bayhawks playing on ESPN 2 against NBA Ignite right now.

Good chance to see a couple Pels G-League guys, and draft prospects
Posted by RadarTiger
Member since Dec 2018
3297 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 3:47 pm to
Anyone know how much parking costs this year?
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
166136 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 3:49 pm to
No way Zion can go back to back 30+ nights. Were gonna get blown out.
Posted by DomincDecoco
of no fixed abode
Member since Oct 2018
10843 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 4:39 pm to
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No way Zion can go back to back 30+ nights.

Were gonna get blown out.


YES! good thinkin
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
11861 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 4:49 pm to
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Anyone know how much parking costs this year?


Do not know if it changed. However, with the very small crowds, there are plenty of open spots on the street nearby.
Posted by kpop1
Member since Jan 2018
1648 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 5:12 pm to
Posted by kpop1
Member since Jan 2018
1648 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 5:13 pm to
I hope you do too.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
93646 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 7:08 pm to
I ended up having to come to my sister's house. Hope to get settled in time to watch the beginning of the game.

The game is on FOX Sports NO tonight, right?
This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 7:11 pm
Posted by kpop1
Member since Jan 2018
1648 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 7:17 pm to
Yes, it is.
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 2/17/21 at 7:22 pm to
Got Pels-4 and Zion over 27


LEGGO
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
93646 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 7:40 pm to
Thanks. Got the pregame on now. Pretty psyched to see this one. It was agonizing reading the game thread with Zion balling out.
Posted by jevins_slickin
Member since Nov 2018
1122 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 8:08 pm to
Is there a stream of the game?
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
93646 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 8:09 pm to
You can try sportsurge and sports24.club
Posted by jprdbulldog20
Member since Feb 2013
18855 posts
Posted on 2/17/21 at 8:14 pm to
is it just me or is adams slowly getting worse and worse as the season goes on
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