re: Pels Summer League Thread - Roster

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Can you show me one post or tweet where anybody says not to sign him to a two-way deal? Just one.

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Wasn't saying people were arguing against signing him to a two way. Was talking about one side talking about a two way deal and the other responding like conversations were about who's spot he'd take in the rotation.

As far as his skillset, yes of course he's limited. He's an undrafted rookie. Not sure who he guards in the league, right now. Not sure how much he does for you on offense if you aren't looking to get him open. Haven't seen enough to believe he can run a pnr and create for others, or do any more than space on a fastbreak. So yes there are lots of questions. And yet, we just celebrated re signing Clark.

Clark is undersized and mediocre, at best, with the ball in his hands. Can't create his own shot, or for others, and gives you nothing defensively. What he's provided so far is the illusion of spacing help. But team's don't actually bother accounting for him when he's out there. Guys aren't flying out to contest him at the 3 point line, so i'm not really sure what he's providing while he's out there getting playoff rotation minutes.

It looks like you have created straw men on both sides. What I have viewed is:

Side A: I like this Bluiett kid. We should give him whatever contract it takes to keep him and develop him for the next few years

Side B: Bluiett is doing well in summer league, but that means little to nothing. As opposed to box scores, look at skill set. And skill set wise, he really only has done one thing well - score. And scoring alone is not what will get you rotation minutes on this Pelicans team.

The two sides aren't that far apart, and both WANT the Pelicans to find a rare gem, but Side B seems to be slightly more realistic when determining whether Trevon can be that guy.

As for Ian Clark, his simple skill set is not that impressive. But guys like that get minutes in the league because of their IQ, lack of mistakes made, ability to communicate, and ability to humble themselves. I don't know how hard it is for guys to play 30 minutes one night, finish a game, etc and then get 8 minutes and 1 shot the next. Not every guy can do that and be a good teammate, locker room guy, etc.

The Clark signing is good because if Jackson doesn't give you much, Clark knows the system and will be a good teammate and lock room guy no matter what role you put him in. I would feel the same if we bring Okafor back. He doesn't have the upside of say a Greg Monroe, but I would say he has the higher floor.

It's never that easy. Because you are viewing it as: Sign Bluiett vs. sign nobody

But in reality, if the Pels don't sign Bluiett, they will sign somebody in that same roster spot. And until we know what that opportunity cost, we can't just act like its a no brainer. What if Vince Carter is willing to sign a one-year deal with a team who can guarantee him playing time? Is Bluiett, and the 5% chance he will develop into a rotation player better for that roster spot than Vince Carter or Corey Brewer or Devin Harris?

If Bluiett develops, of course. But the odds against that are great. And a veteran who even helps you win one game next year could mean the difference between getting to the 2nd round and not making the playoffs. Thats the reality of the decision.

He's making a lot of them IN THE SUMMER LEAGUE. You know who else made a bunch in the summer league? Jaren Jackson. Heck, Furkan Korkmaz was a god, draining them. Also, he was just 2-6 today, as the Pistons actually seemed to be the first team to focus on him. And even though they did, I still counted 5 of the 6 looks as WIDE open, and he missed 3 of them

The rotations are terrible because none of these guys play together. There is no communication and only a skeleton system.

Look, I like the kid. I'd offer him a two-way and I'd let Tony Carr go. But I can't give him more than that until explore what other vets I can get for the minimum and/or the trade exception.

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Mvp mode Diallo was never gonna go well. Im not really concerned with Cheick though. I think he knows his role on our team is as an energy guy. If we're ever featuring him in the offense, something went really wrong.

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Yeah, he seems to be playing exactly like he does at the end of blowouts when Crawford, Liggins, etc. are on the court with him and Cheick feels too comfortable and spreads his wings. He doesn't do that when he plays his rotational minutes.

Think of it this way: Imagine you didn't draft Carr. In fact, imagine he isn't on your team.

There are about 250+ guys playing in this summer league that don't have a guaranteed contract with a team. At most, 60 of them will get a two-way deal. Likely less than that. Probably closer to 30-35 will.

You telling me that he is one of the top 40 prospects out there right now? I disagree. I see NOTHING that makes me think he will be an NBA player...ever. I would go get someone else, not just sign this scrub because I drafted him. Thats over and in the past. Should have no effect on my decision

You can't read too well. I was clearly talking about Tony Carr.

But thanks!

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It's never that easy. Because you are viewing it as: Sign Bluiett vs. sign nobody

But in reality, if the Pels don't sign Bluiett, they will sign somebody in that same roster spot. And until we know what that opportunity cost, we can't just act like its a no brainer. What if Vince Carter is willing to sign a one-year deal with a team who can guarantee him playing time? Is Bluiett, and the 5% chance he will develop into a rotation player better for that roster spot than Vince Carter or Corey Brewer or Devin Harris?

If Bluiett develops, of course. But the odds against that are great. And a veteran who even helps you win one game next year could mean the difference between getting to the 2nd round and not making the playoffs. Thats the reality of the decision.

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I was referring to this post. haven't read all of your long-winded rambles. I guess it's Carr you detest. He's not bad, but he isn't great either. I would be upset if they kept him and let Bluitt get away. If we have no better options for our 2nd 2way, it wouldn't hurt anything to keep him for now.

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Right after he was drafted Demps said he might not even make the roster this season. I think they couldn't find anyone interested in buying the pick.

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I would think "not being on the roster" would include a 2-way contract or a foreign assignment.